new engine rules

I just know this will be a football we will kick around forever.

How well the engine formula is received will depend on the number of manufacturers who jump in, and how competitive and exciting the show is, and THAT is going to be balanced by a new chassis at some point...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

I just know this will be a football we will kick around forever.

How well the engine formula is received will depend on the number of manufacturers who jump in, and how competitive and exciting the show is, and THAT is going to be balanced by a new chassis at some point...

---

One big question Mark, is why would any manufacturer spend money for the proposed formula?
The general populace is not as mechanically smart as it once was, but neither is it as obtuse as some with a superiority want to paint the stock-car crowd as.

Now yes there are near totally ignorant effete snob, road racing fans, and more money than brains NASCAR wannabes, but they are not the majority.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Chris R

I think "quite well" is a huge overstatement.... Motorsport is an awesome magazine but it barely survived the Haymarket era... I suspect when Bill Boddy moves to the great typewriter in the sky the mag will have serious problems within 2-3 years.... Autoweek still does a decent job but it is now Auto-bi-week and they freely have mentioned several times how tough the print business is now....

Print media was suffering before the bad economy due to the internet. The economy has made it worse (I dropped Autoweek after 26 years and will not likely renew Motorsport (for $80+ per year!!) mostly due to economic concerns combined with loss of relevance for the product....

I have also noted that the trust factor of print media over internet media has faded dramatically - autoweek used to be a far more reliable source of info than the internet - now it is about the same and significantly slower.... Pretty much now you can cruise multiple sites for info and cross reference it with a known entity like Autosport and you can get pretty close to the "truth"...

---

I agree and thought I had deleted "quite" but apparently did not send the correction.
At the same time, gear-head magazine may not be the bibles they once were, but they draw a crowd that at one time did cross genres concerning racing.
Drag racing is doing very well, and sprint car/short track is getting bigger once again.
In my "yout" I could speak of racing, especially Indy, with gents whose main interest was one of the two above, they are the, paying customers, who have abandoned both Indy car and road racing because both have become contrived competition events.
Create a formula that makes the editors of these magazines interested (I cannot remember which, but one of the hot rod type magazines, had an article about a gent who put a ex-Indy car engine in a hot-rod) and you will put curiosity back into some fans minds that gave it up years ago.

Four-bangs and six-poppers are not the way to do it.
Some of the gear-head magazines try to slip in a car with one of the two, because it is tech. interesting oddity, and usually end up answering letters saying "get that crap out of my magazine". At the same time their readers support a multi-billion dollar after-market engine component industry.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

That is you.

Hot Rod; Popular Hot Rodding; Car Craft; Autosport; Autoweek; Motorsport amongst others all had articles on the power plants of Indy cars in the past fifteen years.
All of these magazines are quite well.

There are others but if you do not read, you are simply not one of the people the tens of millions of dollars spent on advertising in thses magazines care about.

---

Quite well. Everyone you listed have seen drops in circulation. The only one doing well are Autosport and motorsport due to their on-line presence. I have accounts with both.

Add revenues in automotive magazines have dropped significantly. Rates have also dropped as they scramble to save their mags. A full page add in Road & track costs less today than it did 10 years ago.

And no, I don't read popular hot rodding or Car craft. I already know how to rebuild a Holley 4 barrel.

I do read Racecar engineering, Race Tech, Autosport, Motorsport, and various racing trade magazines.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anthonyvop

And no, I don't read popular hot rodding or Car craft. I already know how to rebuild a Holley 4 barrel.

---

See the post-- right above this one -- about the "quite".

If that is what you think the hot rod type magazines dwell on, you have not read either in a long, long, long, long time.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

See the post-- right above this one -- about the "quite".

If that is what you think the hot rod type magazines dwell on, you have not read either in a long, long, long, long time.

---

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/index.html

You have to look really hard to find a single car made in the last 20 years on their home page.

http://www.carcraft.com/index.html

Ditto.

Look at their project cars.
http://www.carcraft.com/project_cars/index.html

The newest one is a 1991 Pontiac Firebird!

Old style cars and those who still either drive them or wish to own them is their market.
Not the demo Indy Car wants or needs to proceed into the future!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Now yes there are near totally ignorant effete snob, road racing fans, and more money than brains NASCAR wannabes, but they are not the majority.

---

Aside from the product Indy also has to deal with the above old-time fan base who actually think that way.

So I am a "totally ignorant effete snob"?

Ignorant? This from a guy who thinks Car Craft magazine is relevant to the future of Indy Car?

Effete? I really doubt you would say that to my face if you met me.

Snob? OK, maybe I am but for good reason!!!!

One thing I do know. I would trade 3 old time Indy500 fans (The ones who think that Indy is still the most important race in the world, Think Jim Nabors singing is major attraction for new fans...ect) for 1 totally ignorant effete snobbish typical road racing fan.

I'm sorry, Bob, but this is why I felt that USAC 'missed the boat' and should've bought up the rights to Formula 5000 when SCCA let it die to recreate Can Am.

With the rules as they stood, it would've been the best chance to utilize a small block 'stock block' engine formula, and still have the ability to out-CART CART before it even had a chance.

That's USAC's fault for not working towards the future and being a slave to the past, and it's cost them dearly.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anthonyvop

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/index.html

You have to look really hard to find a single car made in the last 20 years on their home page.

http://www.carcraft.com/index.html

Ditto.

Look at their project cars.
http://www.carcraft.com/project_cars/index.html

The newest one is a 1991 Pontiac Firebird!

Old style cars and those who still either drive them or wish to own them is their market.
Not the demo Indy Car wants or needs to proceed into the future!

---

If that is what you wish to think, fine. c

Sonny Leonard and Jon Kasse, who have been written about in these magazines have both created and produced, in the last five years, new generation engines for Chevy and Ford respectively.
Kasse has been a multi-winner of the Popular Hot Rodding engine masters series.

You have your opinion of them and I have mine.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Aside from the product Indy also has to deal with the above old-time fan base who actually think that way.

So I am a "totally ignorant effete snob"?

Ignorant? This from a guy who thinks Car Craft magazine is relevant to the future of Indy Car?

Effete? I really doubt you would say that to my face if you met me.

Snob? OK, maybe I am but for good reason!!!!

One thing I do know. I would trade 3 old time Indy500 fans (The ones who think that Indy is still the most important race in the world, Think Jim Nabors singing is major attraction for new fans...ect) for 1 totally ignorant effete snobbish typical road racing fan.

---

Show me where I said that about you, please.

If you think that was about you, you are both a bit paranoid and self-centered.
But you are welcome to your opinions.