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Originally Posted by markabilly
Actually that was his definition of insanity. And there is a difference between learning from history and moving on versus dwelling in that history. Clearly you don't sem to understand the difference.
Gary
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Originally Posted by markabilly
Actually that was his definition of insanity. And there is a difference between learning from history and moving on versus dwelling in that history. Clearly you don't sem to understand the difference.
Gary
clearly the irl does notQuote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
and some folks around here seem to be stuck in the failure of the present, thinking no more danica, will save them, when the clear lesson is that it will not,
not without much more than what has been offered and that is the lesson of CC
and i am not the one wishing for the good ole days of no danica
just the good old days when the drivers were clearly without question among the best in the world, and to hear one coming down the straight was bone tingling
since that fateful day in May have attendance and ratings steadily increased or declined?
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Originally Posted by markabilly
When was that exactly?
Newsflash....the Indy 500 and Indy Car Racing have NEVER had most of the best drivers in the world. Never have and never will.
All I'd like to see again is the Indy 500 and Indy Car Racing to draw some of the best AMERICAN drivers again. They used to at least do that in the 60's, 70's and 80's.
That is where it needs to start. Then once you start doing that, then worry about the rest of the world.
Are you sure you didn't partake of some of the "recreational" substances in the 70's? Maybe just a few mushrooms?Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
While there have always been good drivers and even a few great ones, there has also always been a steady helping of field fillers.
"bone tingling" Somehow that isn't a word I would use for an Offy and almost any Turbo. Maybe the Novi......
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Originally Posted by Scotty G.
There you go lost in that American drivers fog again. The problem with that Scott is as I told you, they are choosing NOT to go to the IRL...and while you will disagree I am sure (you have never failed to disagree on this point yet), it is simply a case of most OW formula style racers in the junior formula in the US are not always even American. The top talents in driving cars with wings and the engine in the back are coming from Europe as often as not.
It isn't 1960 and you hit on driving the Indycars after a season of USAC Sprints and midgets. Tony Stewart was the last really amazing driver out of that world to come to the Indycar world....and he left for the money and to race 36 times a year in NASCAR. It is the MONEY that is pulling them to NASCAR, and they don't have to worry about bringing their own sponsors.
I hope more American drivers DO get rides and the heritage of this sport in America isn't lost, but it is an economic thing, and the economics of this sport went south with the split and the loss of the tobacco money.
I do know this much. I still am flummoxed why Danica ended up being the biggest star. Last time I looked, the big stars are the people who won. It is only in the last two years since the merge that Danica's influence in the IRL has started to wane.....
I think the competitive balance on track has been the best it has been in years on track, and that is the project of the merger. I think if the car rules and chassis rules were opened back up, the on track product would follow and I think with THAT, the needles on ratings and attention would go up. Once that happens, the sponsors come back, and then it is a valid destination vs NASCAR for OW drivers in North America. It is going to be a long road back...and I am thinking the gimmick of female race drivers has gone a few minutes longer than the 15 minutes it should have.
I assume others have read the article on Danica on SI.com? Funny how Tom Anderson tries his hardest to keep from calling her out, but basically says she can't handle a fast car and all of her teammates can. On the flip side, one of Danica's mild attempts as an excuse is to say this is her 3rd strategist in 4 years and Tom misses things and doesn't know her yet. Hmmm, what was her excuse each of the past years. She's never done well on a road course short of when she had the trick steering for the 2 or 3 road course events they had at that point. Somebody might want to point out to the Danica that Tom Anderson's credentials at his job are possibly hall of fame worthy while she has yet to crack the Barber Pro talent level. She sucks.
well I dont disagree except I said "among the best", but maybe you be right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotty G.
Jim Clark, Mario Andretti, Dan Gurney, Graham Hill, AJ Foyt, Unsers brothers, Mark Donohue, Jackie Stewart, Parnelli Jones, Sneva, Mears, and even much later, Nigel Mansell, JV (a mere rookie Indy winner and a WDC), JPM--another rookie winner, Greg Moore, among a number of others.....
Yeah I agree, those guys were not among the best in the world. Not even close. What did beachbum call them? Just field fillers...
:dozey:
Funny, in the sixties, every one of the best drivers I can think of, recognized not only in the USA, but the world over as being the challengers for the title of the best there ever was, well the only one I can think of who did NOT race Indy, was John Surtees.
But you are right, I am dwelling in the past, and should be thrilled about the way of the new or old IRL, with or without Danica.
Those old dreams of an idle old fool like me, and all that history is gone, and with it the faint hope of a return to greatness being just ashes in the wind, never to return.
You win.
Perhaps you ought to step back off your little cloud and actually read what Beachbum wrote. He did not call those fantastic racers field fillers. He did not name anyone at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Talk about agendas. You've got a one for some reason.