Yas Marina looks amazing! Who do you think will win?

Yas Marina is crass, ostentatious and ugly. If ever there has been a statement that shows the sport has become more about the overfed and overpaid people of f1 then this is it.

Stupid statements by the idiot f1 journalists at Autosport saying that this is THE BEST grand prix EVER only confirm how disgusting the sport has become.

Is this what we want as fans? A grand prix in the middle of nowhere in a place that cares NOTHING about motor racing and exists only because money is no object - courtesy of petro-dollars.

Just thinking about this so-called racing circuit raises my ire. It disgusts me. And if this is what Bernie sees as the future of f1 then I will for the first time stand against him.

And if they had shown one more shot during the grand prix of scruffy unshaven, greasy men in white sheet-like robes I would have thrown up. Was that Nicholas Todt unshaven in a white sheet walking with Massa or am I mistaken??

And yes I DO object to holding grands prix in places that view women as second class citizens.

This, as much as China and Bahrain and Malaysia is f1's disgrace.

This is what we get in place of the great circuits of the world? A serenade of dictatorships?

F1 is becoming the disgraceful sport with its god, money as its only goal.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Yas Marina is crass, ostentatious and ugly. If ever there has been a statement that shows the sport has become more about the overfed and overpaid people of f1 then this is it.

Stupid statements by the idiot f1 journalists at Autosport saying that this is THE BEST grand prix EVER only confirm how disgusting the sport has become.

Is this what we want as fans? A grand prix in the middle of nowhere in a place that cares NOTHING about motor racing and exists only because money is no object - courtesy of petro-dollars.

Just thinking about this so-called racing circuit raises my ire. It disgusts me. And if this is what Bernie sees as the future of f1 then I will for the first time stand against him.

And if they had shown one more shot during the grand prix of scruffy unshaven, greasy men in white sheet-like robes I would have thrown up. Was that Nicholas Todt unshaven in a white sheet walking with Massa or am I mistaken??

And yes I DO object to holding grands prix in places that view women as second class citizens.

This, as much as China and Bahrain and Malaysia is f1's disgrace.

This is what we get in place of the great circuits of the world? A serenade of dictatorships?

F1 is becoming the disgraceful sport with its god, money as its only goal.

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I disagree very much with your statement. F1 is a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP, not a European one. The Abu Dhabi racetrack was beautiful and visually stunning. It catches casual fans. Many friends of mine watched the race with great pleasure. About the lack of passing, well, I am not sure that the track is the problem. The race at Silverstone was the same snorefest. Check the GP2 races. They were extremely exciting.
About the political thing. The EU outlawed the tobacco sponsorship. Other people came, with money. Abu Dhabi now sponsors Ferrari. What should we do now? Ban tobacco, ban dictatorships, ban alcohol, ban sweets, ban everything which is politically incorrect?
Sorry. I disagree with you. The Abu Dhabi GP was a unique event and I think that it has the right to be in F1. The dedication of the people who built this event was amazing.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

I disagree very much with your statement. F1 is a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP, not a European one. The Abu Dhabi racetrack was beautiful and visually stunning. It catches casual fans. Many friends of mine watched the race with great pleasure. About the lack of passing, well, I am not sure that the track is the problem. The race at Silverstone was the same snorefest. Check the GP2 races. They were extremely exciting.
About the political thing. The EU outlawed the tobacco sponsorship. Other people came, with money. Abu Dhabi now sponsors Ferrari. What should we do now? Ban tobacco, ban dictatorships, ban alcohol, ban sweets, ban everything which is politically incorrect?
Sorry. I disagree with you. The Abu Dhabi GP was a unique event and I think that it has the right to be in F1. The dedication of the people who built this event was amazing.

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If f1 is a world championship then why is there no race in Africa, two in the mid-east that are really a stones throw from each other, no United States grand prix, maybe a Canadian one and only one South American race as well as Bernie saying the European races such as Britain, France and Germeny are all expendable - oh and TWO in Spain?

It is a world championship sort of and that anthems are played pretending that countries are competing against each other when most of the drivers do not live in their "home" countries is laughable.

Do you know that Jenson has not lived in the UK for TEN years now?

Overtaking is not about the tracks - it is the front and rear wings and tyres that are responsible. But then why should the idiot bureaucrats including the French midget now in the seat listen to engineers?

So you consider grands prix in despotic kingdoms okay? Simply because docile Europeans have allowed the EU to dictate to them does not equate tobacco with the regions f1 now caters to and does not make the EU dictates just or correct.

Nobody has a right to be iin f1 - they are their because Bernie does not mind cuddling with dictators with gazillions of oil money - and we know Bernie's view of Hitler!

The event be damned. It is the self-centered view that has become the norm for too many in f1 that has them fawning over a racing track that has nothing to offer other than gawdy ostentation.

Yas Marina is a motor racing tower of babel and has nothing in common with motor racing. The only vehicle riding on that circuit ought to be bulldozers.

I find it disgusting and a disgrace that f1 has become the whore of rich dictators.

Whats next? A grand prix of Iran or Venezuela?

I know he's frothing at the mouth doctor, but has he stopped breathing yet??

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

If f1 is a world championship then why is there no race in Africa, two in the mid-east that are really a stones throw from each other, no United States grand prix, maybe a Canadian one and only one South American race as well as Bernie saying the European races such as Britain, France and Germeny are all expendable - oh and TWO in Spain?

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I agree that it will be good to have a race in Africa and it is necessary to return in the United States. But I still disagree with your opinion about the Etihad Grand Prix of Abu Dhabi, which I find to be a thrilling event. About the Babel think, when Babylon (that's the name I know) is a great ancient culture and a race should be proud to be compared with it, no matter the opinion of fundies ;)

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I agree that it will be good to have a race in Africa and it is necessary to return in the United States. But I still disagree with your opinion about the Etihad Grand Prix of Abu Dhabi, which I find to be a thrilling event. About the Babel think, when Babylon (that's the name I know) is a great ancient culture and a race should be proud to be compared with it, no matter the opinion of fundies ;)

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Babel and Babylon have nothing to do one with the other. The tower of Babel was something men built trying to reach heavens, thus being as powerful as God. Obviously, God went bananas and punished men. Until then they all spoke the same language, but God made them speak in different languages to confuse them. With such situation, they had to stop building that tower and that´s where all the languages come from. IIRC the myth is something like this...

But back to the topic:

Yes, F1 is a world championship, but why racing in a country where people don´t care about racing at all? Why scrapping races where people do care a lot? The empty grandstands at Istanbul are a good example of what we could expect of such GP´s. China is another good example but a bit different, because China has an enormous potential market for F1 and anything that can be sold, but we still see empty grandstands at their GP because the tickets are deadly expensive for most of people there. In fact, they are expensive for anyone. After the people-can´t-pay-that GP´s we have the I-won´t-be blackmailed GP´s, with Singapore and Abu Dhabi as good examples. There, hotel rooms become instantly i don´t know how many times more expensive, and you are forced to stay for a minimum of 5 nights with rocketing prices. Yes, the organization saw a great business there, but what did they get? Far less people there than expected. Of course there are absurdly rich people out there, but not all of them are willing to throw their money down the flush if they can use their influences to be there withouth having to pay some thousand dollars for a hotel room.

And then we have the uncomparable example of Spain, where a political party has bought a GP (Valencia Street Sedation), and they have no problems in saying it loud and clear. The PP (that political party) had clearly statede that if they were not elected, we could say bye bye to the Valencia GP, because they were the only ones who were going to pour some zillions into that money pit and are untouchable by law, as they are continously demonstrating. They also promised to develop the city with the circuit. In fact, they even built a new bridge and tried to sell it as an urban circuit, but reality is quite different, because HUGE sections of the track (including the bridge) are permanently closed to traffic, so where´s the urban circuit?

And all of this comes with another interesting factor: we have another GP in Montmeló. The trend should be that countries with two GP´s would be stripped of one of them (as Bernie said), but then why the f*ck we have 2 GP´s in Spain and none in France, USA, Canada or any other country who has the fan base and is not a business planned by a few illuminated (by gold) minds?

Conlcussions: F1 is a big business, and they´d put a GP on the Moon if Bernie gets a good deal.

Yas Marina, Marina Bay and the other new marina (Valencia Street Circuit is another marina) are good examples of what shouldn´t be done. There is only one Monaco, which is a different case, and what a coincidence they are all marinas... why could it be? Maybe because poeple with LOTS of money can waste it in a yacth and in 5 hotel nights?

These tracks are what manufacturers are to F1. Yes, they look very good and have spent more money than anyone else, but whe things go wrong (at some point they will, of course) they´ll withdraw and that´s all, and we won´t miss them very much. Would you miss Valencia SC as you´d miss Spa?

Well said K-Pu!!

I'm sure Bernie will be upset, and probably cry all the way to the bank. BUT the visuals from Yas Marina were fantastic on my TV and since I didn't have to pay anything to watch it, I really shouldn't complain too much about the greedy dwarf.

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I'm sure Bernie will be upset, and probably cry all the way to the bank. BUT the visuals from Yas Marina were fantastic on my TV and since I didn't have to pay anything to watch it, I really shouldn't complain too much about the greedy dwarf.

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Yes, it was nice to see it (really nice, I really mean it), but if I had to choose between Spa and Yas Marina, I´d prefer Spa and I wouldn´t forget how they managed to build that good looking track and what´s behind it.

I'm all for a world championship but why stick with Tilke-dromes?