Kimi's future - No racing in 2010?

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6th September 2009, 20:44
ioan

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Come on, let the guy state his opinion, let him be, please.

Did I stop him or what?! :confused:
6th September 2009, 23:52
jas123f1

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Originally Posted by ioan

But the team was giving equal chances to both as far as I know. Does Kimi need no. 1 status in order to be able to deliver?

No- the team as not giving equal chances to both - Massa helped Kimi 2007 and Kimi did the same to Massa 2008.. Every team make their plans and you can see (if you want) that Massa has been the first driver 2009.. and i agreed with the team - Massa deserves a WDC-title after al his years at Ferrari and al the development he has made with his driving..

And we should don’t forget that Massa helped Schumi … and then Kimi … so it’s fair to give him a chance to the title now - it's his turn and I'm sure every one knows that at Ferrari.

Don’t let your antipathy against Kimi make you blind.
7th September 2009, 00:54
ClarkFan

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

There was a quote on the wall in the offices of the Home Office in the UK that said "if you torture the statistics enough they will tell you anything".

The way you have engineered your retort is just that - in order to support your artgument. The universe you have used is too small therefore the picture shown is a distorted one.

This is the reason the beginning I have taken was from the period that Mclaren came into its own as a top constructor and at the same time Ferrari team was literally taken by Niki Lauda and reingineered. At the time he spent six weeks testing from light until dark and lived at the circuit only returning him once a week.

And since 1974, the year this all coincided because 1973 was the year that both Lotus and Tyrrell peaked, never to return to their former glories.

So it was the beginning of a new era and since then the numbers I provide are the facts. Your view or my view is not relevant here because we have 35 years of what actually happened.

I refer you to my original post above on this matter because it encompasses the entire period, not your cherry picked short period.

Lastly, this debate referred to the driver's championship only, not the contructor's. Remember the original question was which team did a driver have a greater probability of winning and I have shown my case and stated that that is Mclaren not Ferrari.

I am not beholden to any team as I do not support teams and never have, I have favorite drivers.

OK, but I think that the Constructor's title is a better indication of a car's capability of winning. If a team wins the WCC without the WDC, you have clear evidence that the car would have won the WDC if one of the drivers had been capable (or fit for the entire year). Over your measuring period, McLaren won the WCC 8 times (1974, 1984, 1985, 1988-91, 1998), and Ferrari won 14 times (1975-77, 1979, 1981-2, 1999-2004, 2007-8). Now, based on points McLaren would have won 2007, but based on the team data issue, perhaps all the points scored by all 4 drivers should have been scored for Ferrari!

Yes, Ferrari benefitted mightly from Schumacher, but without Prost and Senna, McLaren's result would be pretty thin gruel, too. Even throwing out 2007, a 13-8 edge for Ferrari says that if you really want to win, drive a red car.

ClarkFan
7th September 2009, 01:10
truefan72

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Originally Posted by jas123f1

- Massa deserves a WDC-title after al his years at Ferrari and al the development he has made with his driving..

And we should don’t forget that Massa helped Schumi … and then Kimi … so it’s fair to give him a chance to the title now - it's his turn and I'm sure every one knows that at Ferrari.

Don’t let your antipathy against Kimi make you blind.

nobody deserves a title, it is earned.
7th September 2009, 09:06
Dzeidzei

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

I still insist that it was Raikonnen that won and it flattered the car. The FI is a better chassis [shock!] but the Ferrari was quicker in the KERS-advantage sectors but it was the FI that qualified on pole.

In Valencia Raikonnen and Barrichello were the two quickest drivers at pit in and out.

Hey SD. I agree with a lot of what you say, but please could you spell it Raikkonen? Or Kimi, thats easier.

Doesnt matter otherwise except makes you look stupid. Even if you were not.
7th September 2009, 09:08
Dzeidzei

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Originally Posted by truefan72

nobody deserves a title, it is earned.

And whoever wins the title is the best driver that year. Period.
7th September 2009, 09:13
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by Dzeidzei

Hey SD. I agree with a lot of what you say, but please could you spell it Raikkonen? Or Kimi, thats easier.

Doesnt matter otherwise except makes you look stupid. Even if you were not.

:up:
7th September 2009, 10:50
ioan

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Originally Posted by jas123f1

No- the team as not giving equal chances to both - Massa helped Kimi 2007 and Kimi did the same to Massa 2008.

Looks pretty much equal to me. Don't know what looks inequitable to you. :confused:
7th September 2009, 10:51
ioan

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Originally Posted by Dzeidzei

Hey SD. I agree with a lot of what you say, but please could you spell it Raikkonen? Or Kimi, thats easier.

Doesnt matter otherwise except makes you look stupid. Even if you were not.

What a lovely family photo. Heartbreaking! :rotflmao:
7th September 2009, 11:26
Knock-on

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Originally Posted by henners88

We should all start writing full names rather than initials too, then we don't look lazy even if we are not.. :p

Speak for yourself. Personally, I'm just Lazy :D

What will Kimi do? Who knows. Kimi could do anything.

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