California Budget

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Originally Posted by Eki

Thanks, but I still believe that even after my friends and relatives are gone, my government and my trade union will still be here, and they have a legal obligation to help me, unlike my friends and my family.

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Also I see that you placed your trade union in there. Are they not in many sences of the word your family?

:rolleyes: Well if Trade Unions are family, I wonder if a family member could tell us where Jimmy Hoffa's remains are! :laugh:
You know give the bloke a decent burial in sacred ground mate! ;)

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Originally Posted by chuck34

We rely on our friends, families, and neighbors to help us get through the bad patches. This is because we know that those people will not try to exert contol on us (government can not give something without first taking it). They will help out because they care. They know our individual situations much better than any government entity ever will or ever could know. Therefore, we will recieve better "care" from our families than the government ever could provide.

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Depends on your family and your government. Not everyone have wealthy relatives or friends. They can be even worse-off than you are. Therefore I find the government more fair and equal. Everyone gets help according to their needs and the rules are the same for everyone. Of course you could still get extra help from your family and friends, but the government fulfills your basic financial needs.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Also I see that you placed your trade union in there. Are they not in many sences of the word your family?

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No, I see them more as a government or an insurance company. First I have to pay a yearly membership fee (tax deductible) before I can get anything from them. I don't have to pay a membership fee to my family.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

:rolleyes: Well if Trade Unions are family, I wonder if a family member could tell us where Jimmy Hoffa's remains are! :laugh:
You know give the bloke a decent burial in sacred ground mate! ;)

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Yes, what Italian-Americans consider family is probably a bit different than here. Here a family usually means your parents, your siblings and your kids.

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Originally Posted by Eki

what Italian-Americans consider family is probably a bit different than here. Here a family usually means your parents, your siblings and your kids.

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Wrong Eki :arrows:
It means the same thing here. Sibling, parents, offspring. and maybe an occasional cousin!
I believe Italian Americans have the same family values as other decent people.
What I posted is what's commonly referred to as a "joke"!
Not an indictment of labor unions, or anything else of a serious nature!
You may be laboring under a cultural misconception.
Which is totally understandable. :)

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Originally Posted by Tazio

What I posted is what's commonly referred to as a "joke"!

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I know, and I continued from that. Aren't the Mafia supposed to have been involved in the dissappearing of Hoffa? The Mafia has "families" like the Corleone family in the Godfather movies. See?

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Originally Posted by Eki

Aren't the Mafia supposed to have been involved in the dissappearing of Hoffa? The Mafia has "families" like the Corleone family in the Godfather movies. See?

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Than you should have stated Mafia Families!
That's like saying all Muslims are members of Al Qaeda, or The Taliban
Uncool Bro!

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Originally Posted by Eki

Depends on your family and your government. Not everyone have wealthy relatives or friends. They can be even worse-off than you are. Therefore I find the government more fair and equal. Everyone gets help according to their needs and the rules are the same for everyone. Of course you could still get extra help from your family and friends, but the government fulfills your basic financial needs.

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Your family doesn't have to be wealthy to help out.

Perhaps your government is better than ours. I honestly don't deal with the Finnish government so I can't pass judgement. However, I do deal with the US government personally, and I hear stories from others. And the US government does not operate smoothly or effectively in many cases. I do not want them taking care of me in my time of need.

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Originally Posted by Eki

No, I see them more as a government or an insurance company. First I have to pay a yearly membership fee (tax deductible) before I can get anything from them. I don't have to pay a membership fee to my family.

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But of course you can choose to be in or out of the trade union, or the insurance company for that matter. We have no choice once the government takes over something.