Webber--dirty driver and hypocrite

Because Prost cried like a baby:

"If he's that desperate to win the championship then he can have it"

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Originally Posted by wedge

Because Prost cried like a baby:

"If he's that desperate to win the championship then he can have it"

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I don't think Prost's crying in 1988 can affect opinions now. And yet, to this day, that incident is cited as a prime example of Senna's unacceptable behaviour, by F1 journalists (like Nigel Roebuck) and forumers alike.

And Senna himself later apologized to Prost for doing that. He never apologized for Suzuka '90, but he apologized for that.

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Originally Posted by studiose

Yes, of course.

I just hate chopping. You know? Moves done with the attitude of "We're alongside, so I'm gonna veer into you. Feeling lucky today, punk?"

There's no skill in that. No elaborate thought. It's just bullying.

The majority of you obviously think that's ok. I don't. One of them "differences of opinion", I guess.

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He wasn't even alongside him when Webber moved over.

Nobody has even mentioned the fact that Alonso had KERS, so he would have blasted past Webber quicker than the Aussie expected.

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Originally Posted by studiose

I don't think Prost's crying in 1988 can affect opinions now. And yet, to this day, that incident is cited as a prime example of Senna's unacceptable behaviour, by F1 journalists (like Nigel Roebuck) and forumers alike.

And Senna himself later apologized to Prost for doing that. He never apologized for Suzuka '90, but he apologized for that.

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Nothing wrong with that move to be honest he tried to squeeze him but not too much to be honest. I don't think Webber tried to squeeze Alonso, because I don't think he even thought he would try it down the right hand side.

IIRC Michael Schumacher's squeeze of Ralf at the (Nurburgring?) was worse. They didn't speak for a few weeks after that I don't think.

The worst one of all was Schumi on Alonso in Britain 2003 (maybe 04 not sure)

I'm sick of all this stupid argument about blocking and chopping, especially since there was none of either of those things. It was a great overtaking move by Alonso and nothing more.

As words wont convince people, I've had to grab screen images from the video and paste them together...

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1403/passalonso.jpg

The only thing Webber was guilty of was being passed by Alonso in one of the best passes of the season so far.

(Never mind.)

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Originally Posted by studiose

I don't think Prost's crying in 1988 can affect opinions now. And yet, to this day, that incident is cited as a prime example of Senna's unacceptable behaviour, by F1 journalists (like Nigel Roebuck) and forumers alike.

And Senna himself later apologized to Prost for doing that. He never apologized for Suzuka '90, but he apologized for that.

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Schumi did the exact same thing to his own brother at the Nurburgring 2003(??) and I had no problems with it whatsoever likewise the infamous Schumacher startline chop I had no problems with.

Some people have certain standards and limits but the likes of Alonso, Gilles, Senna, Mansell, Hamilton, Schumi, JPM, etc, etc are racers and they are willing to push those limits.

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

Nobody has even mentioned the fact that Alonso had KERS, so he would have blasted past Webber quicker than the Aussie expected.

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Did he? I seem to remember that only McLaren and Ferrari used KERS in Barcelona. And even if that weren't the case, would Webber not have known about it? :erm:

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

Nothing wrong with that move to be honest he tried to squeeze him but not too much to be honest.

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Well, a lot of other people certainly found fault with it. Real experts, too.

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

I don't think Webber tried to squeeze Alonso, because I don't think he even thought he would try it down the right hand side.

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Ah. So he veered to the right just to let Alonso by on the left?

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Webber moved once to cover the line, Alonso went round him, then Webber came back under him. All of which was totally legal.
If there was a problem, we would have had a protest lodged, but as yet there's been zip, nada, nil and nowt.

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http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1403/passalonso.jpg
- Box ticked

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... lterations)%2024-03-2009.pdf

Article 16.1
"Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to the race director for investigation) which :
- forced a driver off the track ;

There as yet has been no "Incident" noted, and none reported to the race stewards by the race director - it is safe to assume that there is no incident.
It doesn't look like a duck, walk like a duck or quack like a duck.

IT'S NOT A DUCK

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Originally Posted by wedge

Schumi did the exact same thing to his own brother at the Nurburgring 2003(??) and I had no problems with it whatsoever likewise the infamous Schumacher startline chop I had no problems with.

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If that is the case, my good fellow, then you just don't have standards!

Let me make this point again: Senna, the hardest of them all, eventually came to the conclusion that what he did at Estoril '88 was wrong.