I've never seen MSNBC, however I have seen the 'unbiased' offerings from murdoch's media empire and would gladly bet that faux news would never admit to any bias.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
I've never seen MSNBC, however I have seen the 'unbiased' offerings from murdoch's media empire and would gladly bet that faux news would never admit to any bias.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
McCain announced Palin as his VP pick on the Friday before the Republican convention started on Monday. Other than knowing that she was the female governor of Alaska, I didn't really hear anything else (good or bad) about Palin in the mass media that weekend. It was such a surprise to most everyone, I recall that people on both sides were still just trying to gain information about her.
After she gave her "lipstick on a pitbull" speech, I remember telling someone, "Well, McCain should have a slam dunk by picking her." But no one really knew much about Sarah. People were just beginning to dig (for good and bad). I was watching CNN and Kay Bailey Hutchinson was interviewed after Palin's speech. Anderson Cooper asked Hutchinson what she thought of Palin. Kay (who should have been the VP pick, IMO), said, "To be honest, I don't know very much about her. But maybe that's a good thing... I just don't know very much about her." I think those were very prophetic words. The McCain campaign did get something like a 5 point bounce shortly thereafter, and I think he led the polls at that point. But Sarah was hidden away like someone in Witness Protection right after the convention. Then they let her out. And the economy got worse. And Sarah started talking... more and more. The Katie Couric interview has to be one of the worst interviews in the history of politics. By the time they showed Part 2, it was like some surrealistic short film. Like one of those fake documentaries you see on the Independent Film Channel or Sundance... it couldn't be real. Tina Fey and Saturday Night Live made it even worse. And then the economy got even worse and the stock market began to tank. And McCain started acting strange. As I recall, Sarah's numbers posted a serious reversal about then, and her negatives soon passed her positives with the public, including females. I don't think her numbers bottomed out until her debate with Biden. But by then, Obama had passed McCain and was building a lead.
As much as I remember hearing about how Sarah helped McCain with "the base", I also remember Sarah going from a net positive with female voters to a net negative with female voters. As far as I know, Sarah delivered not ONE state that McCain was not already poised to win. At best, she may have helped him have a bigger margin of victory in states like West Virgina, Alaska, Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia. But she sure didn't help him in Virgina or North Carolina. And the loss of those formerly red states was a big black eye for the GOP.
This I hadn't heard about before. Jonathan Bush (President George's 1st cousin), Chairman & CEO of Athenahealth, Inc. is on CNBC right now. It turns out he voted for Obama! :eek: He said he's been a lifelong Republican and he was in the "anybody but Hillary camp" going into the primaries (I'm with him so far :) ). When asked about why he voted for Obama instead of McCain, what did he list as one of his reasons? Sarah Palin. For someone who was compared so much to his cuz, I would have thought he'd have liked Sarah. But it looks like Sarah helped to convince him to also get in that long line of former Bush voters who went for the Dem this time. Welcome to the club, Jonathan. :wave:
On another note, this guy is a hoot! The guy seems like he's very sharp, but he's also very animated and pretty funny. Apart from his feelings on Palin, the guy is very entertaining and quick witted. Finally, a Bush that I like. :D The CNBC guys are going on & on about how entertaining his interview was, and are promising to try to make him a regular. I hope they do.
He might be a Republican next election..who knows? Just know that CNBC or MSNBC wouldn't have put him on if he wasn't dissing the Republicans. Whereas on Fox I saw Geraldine Ferraro on with O'Reilly and others on a regular basis. Not to mention Lanny Davis and other prominent Democrat guys. This guy has it together from the sounds of it but when it comes to the last election, he didn't make the choice because his political philsophy changed, I just think he is one of many that likes Obama. He has charisma, no two ways about. I just think he is going to be found wanting at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
I'd never heard of Jonathan Bush before. I thought he was hella entertaining though! Now that's a Bush that I'd like to have a drink or three with. I think he's still a Republican - I doubt that changes. I was just pointing out that Palin wasn't someone (even as the President's cousin) that he could support. But to be honest, he didn't seem to have any love for McCain either. Sounds like he got a 2 for 1 negative with those two. He fully admited that his decision was based on emotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
If he'd been on MSNBC, I'd say you're right. MSNBC is the polar opposite of Fox News (PMSNBC and Faux News as many say :D ). Two sides of the same coin, IMO. But CNBC doesn't, and has never shown a distinct bias toward any party or political philosophy. Though Charlie Gasparino is about as far right fiscally as you can get. People are starving in the streets? Tough. That just reduces the surplus population. In the early 80's I met Bill Griffith, Sue Herrera and John Bollinger (created the "Bollinger bands" technical indicator) when the channel (FNN) was still a struggling mini cable channel in L.A. in the early 80's. They were nobodies at a nobody channel. So I'd hang out at the studio when my uncle would take me down every week or so. I haven't seen any of them since FNN sold out to NBC. But to this day, I couldn't tell you what Bill or Sue's political persuasion is - and that's the way it should be with (true) journalists. The only thing I know is, Sue was schmoking hawt in the early/mid 80's. Sue could light a guy's cigarette just by walking by him. And when I met this funny little Jewish man named Ira Epstein, as he was taping a commercial for the show, I should have kept his card and called him later - Dummy Move #171 on my part. Anyway... Bloomberg is pretty apolitical too (IMO). The only financial news channel that seems to really show its cards is Fox Business News. That's why I'm disappointed that Murdoch is poised to take over Dow Jones. I want the facts (and nothing but the facts) in order to help me make decisions, not political or religious spin and commentary on business news channels.
Sarah Palin seeks to "pal around" with a foreign born, terrorist sympathizing, Socialist dictator!
Reported on Fox News, so it must be true. :dozey:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/firs...es-talk-obama/
Jag...you are being intellectually dishonest now. You know damned well Palin has never accused Obama of being foreign...lol
I keep telling you she isn't as dumb as you keep thinking she is....
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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
I think Ed Rendell called it best after the Governors Conference: "She's no genius, but she has great political instincts", or something to that effect.
I wouldn't so much say that she's "dumb", as just somewhat ignorant of certain basic and fundamental things that a person of her age and political station should know by now. I think her challenge now is keeping her name in the air while she plans her next move. That's what this new SarahPAC will help her do. That's what mugging for the camera will do while she's at the Alfalfa dinner, trying to get close enough to Obama so reporters will ask her what "important things" she was discussing with him. I mean, that's what politicians do. I bet John McCain wanted to sink a dagger in George W. Bush and Karl Rove after the '99/2000 primary season - and rightly so. But by 2007/08, they were seen embracing. I'm not wired that way... it's hard for me to get my head around being able to do that. What do they say? Politics makes strange bedfellows.
As funny as I find her and as much as I love to poke fun at her, I admit that she seems to be learning how things work in the big leagues of politics. I doubt she allows herself to be interviewed again nationally if a subject is going to be covered that she is unprepared for. Either she'll be better prepared or she'll stay quiet. What she once referred to as "gotcha journalism" is just how it works, especially for conservatives. Right or wrong, she will have to overcome her reputation as an intellectual lightweight if she is going to reach the big chair. I don't think she's going to make it that far - because there are Republicans who want the exact same thing that she wants. But I think she might make it to the U.S. Senate and might establish herself as a power in the GOP in the years to come.
Hey, I'm one of the people who said that Danica Patrick would never win a race, if there was more than two cars running at the finish. But The Danica proved me wrong last year. So I'll give any dog his (her) due if they come back with a rabbit. I'll never support Sarah as long as she represents the Evangelical, neoconservative wing of the GOP. But I can respect a person with whom I don't agree, if they can at least articulate their views with clarity and confidence.
So there may come that day when I can say that I respect Sarah Palin, even if I don't agree with her. Hey, Danica Patrick won an actual car race... so anything is possible! :D
I remain very wary of the view that journalists are somehow to blame for asking unreasonable questions of someone like Sarah Palin. There are good reasons why she and others get asked what are described as 'gotcha questions', while other politicians are not. Don't get me wrong, I do think some political interviewing can be unreasonable, but politicians and other public figures who end up looking stupid in interviews largely have themselves to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
I think journalists can always ask questions that put politicians in a corner if they choose, but often they don't because it is often a career limiting move. Palin dodged a few tough interviewers because her "people" being supplied by the McCain organization steered to people like Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric. Of course...she wasn't up to the grilling they gave her (most of it was very fair IMO but she wasn't prepared mainly because the braintrust didn't want her to state what she really thought if it didn't jive with the McCain platform. That kind of is a limitation is it not?)and she looked stupid at some point. She was over coached and under coached all at the same time. Truth is, we will see in the next 4 years whether she has it or not.
All I know is the bodies of people who underestimated her lie all over Alaska in a metaphorical sense. She has a high approval rating in a state where people dont' suffer fools gladly. You have to respect that and I think in the end you will see her end up making a splash at some point in the future.
As for your fear of her being an evangelical supporter Jag, I will just point out this: She is pro-family and anti-abortion. That doesn't make her some religious nut, she is just matching the views of about half of America. Demonizing people for asking families to try to stay together and facing their responsibilities isn't a bad thing. Sorry...it just isn't. The minute you make Abortion so acceptable that there is no stigmatism to it is to say "be an idiot...that is ok with us"...and the truth is, it isn't. Palin is just another person that believes in that.
I don't think legalized abortion is going away no matter what someone who disagress thinks but it shouldn't be a take out item like going to McDonalds either.