Mosley wants action to 'save' F1

Very good point Ben :up:

I guess my point about turbos, when it comes to road car application, is that they were as much about marketing as they were about technology which brings me back to my point that, for the manufacturers, F1 is primarily a marketing tool. Sure, there may be other benefits, but the bottom line is they see F1 as a means to enhance their brand. If that wasn't the case they wouldn't be involved.

But if they were about marketing and F1 them where were the expensive turbocharged cars made by all those manufacturer? Sure there was the renno 5 and a few others but by and large the manufacturers involved didn't build a lot of cars with turbo's. It was all about the show and that's kind of what i've been talking about with regards to standard engines.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Don't forget, though, that quite a few well-known turbo cars of that era will have been developed for touring car racing/rallying homologation purposes.

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Quite agree but I think the big impact was F1. However, I don't think F1 has quite the pull today it had in previous years as the sport gradually erodes in popularity.

Predictably I disagree :p I think at least compared to the WRC, F1 is stronger in terms of marketability than ever. I think rallying was a better way of selling cars and demonstrating new technology back in the 70's and 80's

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Schmenke there are many aircraft which used turbo's in WW2. Probably less than were using superchargers but still :)

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Italy used turbos Pre WW2 to drain Lake Nimi uphill to salvage a couple enormous ships that were toys of Caligula :eek:

Am I confusing turbines with turbos I can't find the link But I've seen photo's of massive turbines that actually used a tunnel dug by Roman slaves to a lake upstream facilitating the constant water level of Nimi and Caligula's ships!
When the Italians salvaged them 1927-32 they pumped the water back up through this tunnel

"Between 1927 and 1932, under the orders of the Italian dictator Mussolini, they had been pulled out of the temporarily drained lake."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemi_ships

Turbos were used on high and very performance cars before being used in F1.
That is unless we think that the Porsche 934 and 935 were not world beaters and were not dominating the high end sport car championships back in the 70's.
And sure they were more road car related than any F1 car ever built.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

But if they were about marketing and F1 them where were the expensive turbocharged cars made by all those manufacturer?

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To be fair there were only a handful of manufacturers involved at the time I'm thinking of. Renault, BMW & Honda were the F1 turbo pioneers with others following later, but I take your point. The manufacturers did not all rush out to build turbos.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Turbos were used on high and very performance cars before being used in F1.

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I don't think that's in dispute ioan. Turbos were not an F1 "invention", but their use in F1 did give them a prominence that the likes of sportscars could not provide.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I don't think that's in dispute ioan. Turbos were not an F1 "invention", but their use in F1 did give them a prominence that the likes of sportscars could not provide.

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That might be the case. I don't really know if it was LeMans and endurance racing or F1 that were more prominent back than.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I don't think that's in dispute ioan. Turbos were not an F1 "invention", but their use in F1 did give them a prominence that the likes of sportscars could not provide.

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I see your point, but even so there were very few turbo road cars, and I really doubt that Saab, for example, went down the turbo route for reasons that had anything to do with F1.