Will anyone in Indycar ever make it to F1 now???

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

The test drivers are a different thing, I don't consider them F1 drivers.... Anyway, based on what I have read here , It seems that people here (Americans) fail to grasp how much money there is in F1, and how big it really is outside their world.

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I think you fail to realize how much money is in NASCAR too. I maybe wrong but every driver in the top 35 has made around $1,000,000 so far. 25 to 40% of that goes to the driver on top of base salary. So for 5 out of 36 so do a little math. Where is that number going. $7,000,000 so $500,000 base salary is $3,300,000 with Nationwide money, point fund and bonus puts that guy at $4,000,000. How many F-1 drivers get $4,000,000 to finish 35th in the points?
Now a Jimmy Johnson won over $10,000,000 plus a base at $7,500,000 puts him over $10,000,000 in personal salary and it has gone up. He does nothing this year he will make over $12,000,000. There is money that Al Gore wants to take.

WALDO, that is TEAM money, but your point is still well-taken. There are a lot of bucks in NASCAR spread over a much wider area than F1.

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Originally Posted by tbyars

Two things come to mind here.

Second, Waldo is right, IMO. It takes more than having a $1M salary to be considered a millionaire. If your salary is $1M a year and your lifestyle takes $999,999 to support, then you're not going to be a millionaire. YMMV.

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Exactly. People are mixing up an income statement item with a balance sheet item.

Mike Tyson makes well in excess of $1 million every time he stumbles in the ring and bites someone on the ear. But between ex-wives, baby-mamas, the IRS and bank liens, I doubt that he goes back to being a millionaire anytime before he dies.

As for millionaires, King Hiro was/is a millionaire, but what does that mean? I'd be willing to bet my next paycheck that Milka Duno is a millionaire. But again, what does that mean? Being a millionaire might just mean that you have the means to buy yourself a ride, because you don't have the talent to get one by any other means. These are the people who have contributed to the current "suckage" in AOWR. Thankfully NASCAR and F1 haven't (yet) been totally overrun by the scourge. While in sports car racing, their time behind the wheel tends to be a token.

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Originally Posted by indycool

WALDO, that is TEAM money, but your point is still well-taken. There are a lot of bucks in NASCAR spread over a much wider area than F1.

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NASCAR is the only series that the driver gets the checks then pays out what is due based on contracts. Yes it is TEAM money but paid to the driver.

Nope. Paid to the entrant. Entrant pays the team and driver.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

EVERY single driver in F1 is a millionaire.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Who is Al Gore? I think you should read about F1 a little more before putting out comments like above. You obviously don't have any idea of the status of the sport in the world. Yes F1 drivers are all millionaires, in euros, and in dollars even more so. According to F1 racing March 2007 the top 10 drivers salaries were:


1. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, US$51 million
2: Ralf Schumacher, Toyota, US$25 million.
3: Fernando Alonso, McLaren, US$22 million.
4: Jenson Button, Honda, US$18 million.
5: Rubens Barrichello, Honda, US$12 million.
6: Jarno Trulli, Toyota, US$10 million.
7: Felipe Massa, Ferrari, US$8 million.
8: Giancarlo Fisichella, Renault, US$7 million.
9: Mark Webber, Red Bull, US$5 million.
10. Takuma Sato, Super Aguri, US$4.5 million.

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OK that's 10 of the "every single" ... do you have linkage or more information?

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

The test drivers are a different thing, I don't consider them F1 drivers.... Anyway, based on what I have read here , It seems that people here (Americans) fail to grasp how much money there is in F1, and how big it really is outside their world.

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Yes Dex, Americans are a bunch of backazzed country **cks that can't think their way out of a paper bag. And if we didn't live in the "new world" we'd probably think the world was flat too. However, if you are making your assumption on what American "fail to grasp" from your cozy little chair in Europe while reading a post from one person, it's called "prejudice."

In America people who demonstrate prejudice at your level are usually social outcast, or at the very least "makes friends poorly." Some Americans look at others who demonstrate a broad sweeping "prejudice," demonstrated by statements like "(Americans) fail to grasp," as narrow minded with ignorance of your own narrow mindedness.

And then just to give your statement the proper amount of Euro babble you laced it with a tone of arrogance.

So I'm thinking if you were trying to get off on the right foot, with this group, you are failing. When you come on with this "tone," your message gets lost in your obvious distaste for us Americans.

Possibly you could retreat to the F1 forum where you can dazzle that group with your mental superiority.

To be honest, most Europeans fail to realize how irrelevent anything they do is to most Americans. They have no concept how large this country is or how little the average American cares about them or anything they think. I don't count myself as one with that outlook or viewpoint, but it's the truth. If they don't like Americans, then why are they following an American sport?

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Originally Posted by indycool

Nope. Paid to the entrant. Entrant pays the team and driver.

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Not in NASCAR. Check it out. They make a big deal evey year about that.

Ask any NASCAR race team, Waldo. Yes, ALL sanctioning bodies show it as driver earnings and talk about it as such. But drivers are on all kinds of deals with their teams in NASCAR as well as any other series.....retainers, percentages, combinations of those, performance bonuses and the like. Those are all negotiated with the race team to get the ride. And the race team pays them based on what bargain they struck, out of purses and sponsorship money and the like. It is sheer folly to think Jeff Gordon gets a purse check from NASCAR and gives team owner Rick Hendrick his "cut" out of it.