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3rd July 2010, 16:19
Tazio

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Originally Posted by ioan

Rubbish.

It was worth a try ;)
3rd July 2010, 22:08
Tazio

Indy car at watkins glen!
http://www.atdhe.net/
3rd July 2010, 22:23
Tazio

I was always a big proponent of Kimi I made the most profound post about him this site has ever had! Predicting his championship win!
And while I was gone I was on a far superior forum that only problem was lack of participation in numbers. In fact there is a link on this forum right now from a contributor that is an engineer for an F1 team. I've returned empowered. I've got your fight hangin' bro'
Here is a nickles worth of free advice "Don't look back"
Have a happy 4th ;)

:wave: :talk:
4th July 2010, 02:06
Tazio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazio

I was always a big proponent of Kimi I made the most profound post about him this site has ever had! Predicting his championship win!
And while I was gone I was on a far superior forum that only problem was lack of participation in numbers. In fact there is a link on this forum right now from a contributor that is an engineer for an F1 team. I've returned empowered. I've got your fight hangin' bro'
Here is a nickles worth of free advice "Don't look back"
Have a happy 4th ;)

:wave: :talk:

henners88 I just realized that your last post on this page was not directed at me. Ignore my previous post, you to Ioan Sooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrry! :love:
4th July 2010, 02:53
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Luca? Stefano?? :eek:

Someone with such a flawed logic can only be one of the two men who are leading Ferrari right now. It's funny how they assumed that finding the next Schumacher, i.e. getting Alonso and his magical "6 tenths" would be enough for them to win the WDC, while they forgot the three much more important aspects of the team that won all those championships, Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne.

If not for Kimi, Ferrari would have finished 3rd in the Drivers World Championship in 2007.

Felipe Massa missed out on the WDC in 2008 by a single point and this fighting the might of Mclaren and Lewis Hamilton the first driver in f1 history to have been trained for almost TEN years for the job.

In 2008, Massa was the best driver in F1 and in 2009 he outdrove Raikkonen until his accident.

Massa is still there and is being essentially shafted by Ferrari in much the same way that Rosberg is now by Mercedes.

Pity that.

It demonstrates the weakness of Ferrari and Mercedes versus the management strength of Frank Williams and Patrick head. Understand this and you understand problems that both the teams have.
4th July 2010, 03:46
Tazio

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Felipe Massa missed out on the WDC in 2008 by a single point and this fighting the might of Mclaren and Lewis Hamilton the first driver in f1 history to have been trained for almost TEN years for the job.

In 2008, Massa was the best driver in F1 and in 2009 he outdrove Raikkonen until his accident.

Massa is still there and is being essentially shafted by Ferrari in much the same way that Rosberg is now by Mercedes.

Pity that.

It demonstrates the weakness of Ferrari and Mercedes versus the management strength of Frank Williams and Patrick head. Understand this and you understand problems that both the teams have.

And how is Felipe being held back or “shafted”?

Plus you just repeated a reply I made and twisted it to fit your oversimplified agenda!

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I gave Kimi plenty of love when he was with the Scuderia. Now he is history he was beaten by Felipe
in 2008, and was behind (slightly) Massa in 2009 before his injury. Kimi really did yeoman’s duty after that event, but he didn’t excel in that car at the time Massa and he drove it.

The season is at the 1/2 way point.
I could argue the same thing about "The Boss",
groomed for the team for more years then Felipe, only to have the reigning WDC brought on board. I see no distinction. What seems to have gone over your head is that these guys are all warriors, and like "The Boss" FM has just gotten on with it! Everything else is projection!
Here is my view or projection;
Bunsen, and FM are behind guys who have gotten where they are right now on merit!
I know you gave up on your man Jense already! Personally I think Stefano D and the technical people at Ferrari have done well and it's too early for me to draw such conclusions! Your opinions seem to change daily :p :
You are however certainly entitled to them. I think I agree with most people That Luca di is a pin head. But they have won in the past in spite of him.
And obviously Ross, Jean, and Rory are not setting the world afire at their new venues! :dozey:
4th July 2010, 04:43
Saint Devote

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazio

And how is Felipe being held back or “shafted”?

Plus you just repeated a reply I made and twisted it to fit your oversimplified agenda!

The season is at the 1/2 way point.
I could argue the same thing about "The Boss",
groomed for the team for more years then Felipe, only to have the reigning WDC brought on board. I see no distinction. What seems to have gone over your head is that these guys are all warriors, and like "The Boss" FM has just gotten on with it! Everything else is projection!
Here is my view or projection;
Bunsen, and FM are behind guys who have gotten where they are right now on merit!
I know you gave up on your man Jense already! Personally I think Stefano D and the technical people at Ferrari have done well and it's too early for me to draw such conclusions! Your opinions seem to change daily :p :
You are however certainly entitled to them. I think I agree with most people That Luca di is a pin head. But they have won in the past in spite of him.
And obviously Ross, Jean, and Rory are not setting the world afire at their new venues! :dozey:

Upon consideration, your message above does not deserve a reply because it is sub-par.
4th July 2010, 08:42
pallone col bracciale

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Originally Posted by henners88

Maybe if you had been a member here over the last season's you would have seen this subject extensively discussed and you would be slightly wiser on kimi's position

Grazie, but I was unaware that you operated a time-served seniority system in this forum which over-ruled others opinions.

Are you a moderator? Your name is not on the list, that is all.
4th July 2010, 09:08
wmcot

Wow, let's change the title of this forum to "Ferrari Fans bashing Ferrari Fans" Forum. Who needs McLaren fans bashing Ferrari when Ferrari fans are doing a fine job on our own?
4th July 2010, 09:39
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

But not in 2009. Which was last year. Not a long time ago, only last year. Then, they stopped developing the F60.

Fernando Alonso was not the driver then.

Whoever it was did not have the ability or desire to fight his corner well enough to stop the decision not to develop the car he was driving.

Which I, as a Tifosi, find unacceptable.

Whatever his faults, a lack of fight and determination is not an accusation that can be aimed at the current Ferrari lead driver, which I, as a Ferrari fan, am very happy about.

I do not believe a real Ferrari fan would think much differently.

Since you've taken the role of a certain Imola corner as the official Kimi-basher here, I've got a question for you: What has Alonso done so far at Ferrari that justifies the huge amounts of money they are paying Kimi for not to race? How has Ferrari improved as a team compared to 2009? Waiving hands about more? Stupid comments after races when a driver cannot control his temperament?

I've stated it many times over here but Kimi's "failure" at Ferrari was a cultural thing, it was not about racing a Formula One car.

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