The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by Tazio

The same guy who had to ride bitch for Massa the last three races of 2008. Now who's whipping Massa's butt in the other car?

pallone col bracciale makes a valid point!
Why don't you go bash Fettel or Mike! or Mark or Button. This is the Ferrari fans thread!
not some punk@@@ bashers thread!

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wow, tell me how you really feel. Get a grip before yo faint from hyperventilation.

According to you helping support his teammate try to win the 2008 WDC is your standard for useless. The problem with ferrari fans like you is that your memory is selective, your judgments arbitrary and your opinions about drivers sways according to who is in the seat and what the media says about them.

I have far more respect for ioan with whom I do not agree but who is a huge ferrari fan grounded in reality and not opposed to criticizing them when it is called for.

I guess according to your world, a ferrari fans thread is a place to criticize a former ferrari driver who brought you a championship and then bash anyone pointing out that fact to them. Or is it simply the case that you have no argument and therefore all that is left is insulting and screaming :\

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Originally Posted by truefan72

wow, tell me how you really feel. Get a grip before yo faint from hyperventilation.

According to you helping support his teammate try to win the 2008 WDC is your standard for useless. The problem with ferrari fans like you is that your memory is selective, your judgments arbitrary and your opinions about drivers sways according to who is in the seat and what the media says about them.

I have far more respect for ioan with whom I do not agree but who is a huge ferrari fan grounded in reality and not opposed to criticizing them when it is called for.

I guess according to your world, a ferrari fans thread is a place to criticize a former ferrari driver who brought you a championship and then bash anyone pointing out that fact to them. Or is it simply the case that you have no argument and therefore all that is left is insulting and screaming :\

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You must be confusing me for somone who actually gives a #### about your opinion of me! None the less why did you come on this thread? To contradict a new member when his legit opinion is being borne out with facts!! Massa wasted kimi in 2008 and to Kimi's credit he played his part as a supporting member. Ferrari supporters appreciate his contributions as far as you know!

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Originally Posted by truefan72

and another thing, Ferrari work hard on developing their car no matter who is driving them.

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But not in 2009. Which was last year. Not a long time ago, only last year. Then, they stopped developing the F60.

Fernando Alonso was not the driver then.

Whoever it was did not have the ability or desire to fight his corner well enough to stop the decision not to develop the car he was driving.

Which I, as a Tifosi, find unacceptable.

Whatever his faults, a lack of fight and determination is not an accusation that can be aimed at the current Ferrari lead driver, which I, as a Ferrari fan, am very happy about.

I do not believe a real Ferrari fan would think much differently.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

But not in 2009. Which was last year. Not a long time ago, only last year. Then, they stopped developing the F60.

Fernando Alonso was not the driver then.

Whoever it was did not have the ability or desire to fight his corner well enough to stop the decision not to develop the car he was driving.

Which I, as a Tifosi, find unacceptable.

Whatever his faults, a lack of fight and determination is not an accusation that can be aimed at the current Ferrari lead driver, which I, as a Ferrari fan, am very happy about.

I do not believe a real Ferrari fan would think much differently.

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:up: Ciao ^^ :) Dude... welcome! We are not worthy :andrea: Grazie!!!

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

But not in 2009. Which was last year. Not a long time ago, only last year. Then, they stopped developing the F60.

Fernando Alonso was not the driver then.

Whoever it was did not have the ability or desire to fight his corner well enough to stop the decision not to develop the car he was driving.

Which I, as a Tifosi, find unacceptable.

Whatever his faults, a lack of fight and determination is not an accusation that can be aimed at the current Ferrari lead driver, which I, as a Ferrari fan, am very happy about.

I do not believe a real Ferrari fan would think much differently.

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Since MS, Todt and Brawn left the decisions are taken by LdM, so I can not condemn Kimi for a decision he did not take, nor could I condemn him for not caring about what Ferrari did with the F60 as he knew that he was out of the team anyway.

Kimi always had a laid back attitude however rubbishing him for other people's decision is completely out of line.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

Whatever his faults, a lack of fight and determination is not an accusation that can be aimed at the current Ferrari lead driver, which I, as a Ferrari fan, am very happy about.

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Funny how he was lacking this determined fighting spirit 6 days ago when he had to fight Kobayashi, instead he preferred to run his mouth for most of the race!
Or maybe for Italians fighting spirit means b!tching around for 60 minutes?! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Tazio

You must be confusing me for somone who actually gives a #### about your opinion of me! None the less why did you come on this thread? To contradict a new member when his legit opinion is being borne out with facts!! Massa wasted kimi in 2008 and to Kimi's credit he played his part as a supporting member. Ferrari supporters appreciate his contributions as far as you know!

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sure have a strange way of appreciating his contributions

new poster trashes kimi, I explain to the poster that Kimi actually was better than he thinks and actually won the WDC for you, as well as explaining that your team works hard to improve their cars no matter who is driving them and you take this post as some sort of afront on Ferrari or Alonso or whatever. I'm not sure what is truly bothering you but I beleive my post is the least of your worries. Anger management would be a start, perhaps reading the post would be the next step, and then maybe learning how to interpret information without seeing "enemies at the gate" would be a third. Until then, i fear you and I can't have much of a conversation. This is an open forum to anyone and this particular thread is not an exclusive club where comments will go unchallenged because the narrative suits your opinions.

By the looks of things, it seems that you are the only one going off wildly about my original post, so perhaps you might want to rethink your approach towards others http://www.motorsportforums.com/foru...s/rolleyes.gif

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Originally Posted by truefan72

sure have a strange way of appreciating his contributions

new poster trashes kimi, I explain to the poster that Kimi actually was better than he thinks and actually won the WDC for you, as well as explaining that your team works hard to improve their cars no matter who is driving them and you take this post as some sort of afront on Ferrari or Alonso or whatever. I'm not sure what is truly bothering you but I beleive my post is the least of your worries. Anger management would be a start, perhaps reading the post would be the next step, and then maybe learning how to interpret information without seeing "enemies at the gate" would be a third. Until then, i fear you and I can't have much of a conversation. This is an open forum to anyone and this particular thread is not an exclusive club where comments will go unchallenged because the narrative suits your opinions.

By the looks of things, it seems that you are the only one going off wildly about my original post, so perhaps you might want to rethink your approach towards others http://www.motorsportforums.com/foru...s/rolleyes.gif

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No!! I've moved on, You can think about it all you want! Carry on! :dozey:

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Originally Posted by ioan

Kimi always had a laid back attitude however rubbishing him for other people's decision is completely out of line.

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True, it was not his decision, but he rolled over without a fight.

Great Ferrari drivers do not do that.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

True, it was not his decision, but he rolled over without a fight.

Great Ferrari drivers do not do that.

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They threw him out of the team, why would he care?
I wonder what do you know about great Ferrari drivers?!
You rubbish a Ferrari WDC while gushing over Alonso who, for now, contributed nothing to the great Ferrari history.

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Originally Posted by henners88

How do you know he rolled over wothout a fight? Nobody here was present in that boardroom at Maranello, and I can't imagine Kimi backed up by his manager Steve Robertson would have taken it lightly. Are you aware of Robertson's reputation? He's shrewd, and had Ron Dennis over a barrel more than once, and Ron is no pushover. Lets not forget Robertson negotiated an obscene $50M a season contract with Ferrari, and they accepted. ;)

Kimi is a Ferrari champion and his record at Ferrari is still very impressive, but Ferrari (Luca) wanted a new lead driver as their obsession with finding the next Michael Schumacher is still at the top of the list. Once again they purchased the most desirable driver on the grid and that was Alonso. Its still early days but Alonso is yet to prove his worth within the team and has had a season so far littered with mistakes and misfortune.

I still find it amazing though the total lack of respect some Ferrari fans give to Kimi almost as though he owes them something.. Two WCC's and a WDC in 3 season's isn't bad is it? Wow.. :mark:

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A very good post!