Why would Tanak leave Hyundai for Msport? That would almost be a worse decision than leaving Toyota for Hyundai.
Hyundai have ramped up development, have won 5 rallies this year and Msports reliability is really bad (worse than Hyundai's?)
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Why would Tanak leave Hyundai for Msport? That would almost be a worse decision than leaving Toyota for Hyundai.
Hyundai have ramped up development, have won 5 rallies this year and Msports reliability is really bad (worse than Hyundai's?)
Maybe Malcolm would offer first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I've read somwere that back in 2016. Malcolm first gave Ogier Fiesta for test drive and then they talked.
Pattern - Tänak goes and makes car good and then leaves. Did good car for M-Sport, then made "made FOR Finland" Toyota to be good everywhere, now Hyundai got much much better... and now, back to M-Sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
after all we heard about the Belgian Mr. Hyundai, i think Tänak would have left Hyundai even for a Seat in WRC3.....nobody except Sordo can stay there longer than 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Which driving style prefers Tanak? A bit of underster approaching the bends and then very neutral to the apex and in exiting?Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
Why? There can be many reasons, I think mainly as he lacked any faith in the team and did not enjoy it there.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
He is going to Msport and that is a fact. Lets hope it will be a good decision.
And yet, that's what I think is happening exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
You're right in everything you say there, the only person who can answer the first question is Ott himself so you'll have to ask him to find out why .......Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Since there is some speculation on Tanak and Solberg in Pumas connected though maybe not full "in" MSport.
That combination of 3 stubborn bosses has huge potential either way
- massive success
Or
-massive drama
https://revistascratch.com/wrc/notic...medium=twitter rumors that will be renting car for m-sport with monster sponsorship.
Problem with many sites is that they just repost what they read here or on Twitter as rumors with no own sources or checking. (but I have to idea how reliable this one is).
I can’t see the logic there, why would Ott pay for rent when he could drive without paying for the main team
Maybe there is no main team? !Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Maybe M-sport doesn't pay, but Monster does. So he will get paid with Sohlberg/Monster team. And also get money through Red Grey when they are being paid for running the show.
Happiness. He's a World Champ yet was treated like a nobody for the past 12 months, and had no influence in the team or the development direction. I have a huge amount of respect for someone who can put their happiness and enjoyment first and foremost.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
not much time to wait for m-sport announce they driver line up i will not surprise if m-sport somehow found a deal with loeb witch looks very unreal at this moment but we live in crazy world :D
Loeb and Fourmaux wont be around if Tanak and Solberg bring Monster money as two energy drink brands on cars wont wash either way. Wont bother Greensmith as his papa's money will cover him. Is Gus up to being a point scoring number 2 yet for the manufacturers as surely they cant put Oliver in the 2nd R1 car for a whole season?
so happiness is living the same situation for the "rising star" solberg? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
I'd like the general idea, but i think it wouldn't be ideal for tanak again (unless for the red-grey business).
i know there's huge difference between ott and oliver, but we know what kind of dad&manager petter is about his son. they're friend with ott, ok, but oliver would be fisrt think always. having him as as team boss wouldn't make me relax if i were in tanak shoes...
still would be great for the championship!
Maybe thats the reason of two teams, one RedBull and one Monster team, everyone is happy, specially malcom?:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
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Not sure Malcolm would be so happy if the Monster team has Tanak as it would surely beat his M-Sport team. Good for the business-side maybe, but not for his ego...Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Sorry, but all this story start to look either as a best kept secret or total BS - it is impossible to make a competitive, top level team with 2 months left till the first rally of 2023. Seems that everybody is tired of all these rumors and there is no real story traction or excitement here around anymore. You all remember very well what did it take to Petter to run his own car and team in WRC after Subaru left. It was a David - Goliath fight without any success.
Maybe the business is more important than his ego these days?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
its not a different team, thats not possible in 2 months time and this kind of cars, it has to be a "M-sport Monster WRT" and a "M-sport Redbull WRT".
Still a M-sport Ford can win some rallies.
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I think for Mr Wilson is more important thing, that his car from his garage is successful, not precisely the title of the team name.
Logically, for Tänak it does not make sense to mess with private team if he can be part of "factory" team. For Solberg it's maybe a bit different story.
Good thing is - something is cooking there and at the moment we can hope to see Tänak and Solberg next year.
Based on rumors - it would be interesting to see, if and how Wilson, Tänak, P. Solberg and Märtin can work on the same thing and with the same goal together.
This is what some of us has been hoping for, private teams alongside the factoryteams, in the same equipment.
As written below, for Ford/MSport it is more important with podiums, than who drives/reads!
I see a joint venture close to each other, if it happens. Logistics can be solved and Malcolm runs both, with Petter running the marketplace of Monstercars.
If M-sport can run 6-7 Rally1 cars, its good, both for us fans, and for theire business.
More money to develop the cars too, and more interest to do so.
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Don't want to spoil the party, but this whole story came from the Solberg's trip to Monster and Oliver tweeting "exciting things coming soon".
That "exciting thing" is a podcast - the Monster UNLEASHED podcast. Sure, it doesn't mean the whole story has no substance at all, but I think somebody has over egged the pudding...
I totally agree - there is no logic behind the private team in so short time; however, Oliver would benefit - he could build up his experience without any pressure. For Tanak - no way this would make any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
It's not a private team, its 2 M-sport teams, with 2 different energydrinks as sponsors.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndersX
If it happens.
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Are we enthusiastic about all this thanks to Loeb?
Without Loeb we maybe could think that M-Sport does not have competitive car and Breen actually is really good driver, just car is crap. Now, Loeb brought reality check for everyone. Speed wise and reliability wise - speed is (maybe) there, reliability (maybe) is not that well there.
Loubet and Greensmith also had some very good times. Loubet even over many rallies.
But sure a lot is thanks to Loeb. Even more so given how he has struggled in the Hyundai.
Interesting comparision between the Puma and Hyundai WRC by Loubet:
"Another weak point of the current Rally1 car generation is the lack of front downforce, as the 2022 regulations forbid most of the parts included in the previous WRC car generation designed with that purpose. How teams are dealing with it?
For M-Sport driver Pierre Louis Loubet this doesn’t seem to be a problem at all: “There’s less front downforce, yes, but to speak about the front of the car is not only about the aero, as the philosophy of the Puma is that you have a very good front, I mean about the chassis. In a car like that, front downforce just helps on this side. In other cars that I have driven, when you don’t have a very good front, aerodynamics are very important, because you can compensate a lot with that. In the Puma I would say that the chassis does the job on the slow corners to turn, while on the Hyundai it was much more different, you feel that you need to push more to turn the car. At this moment the downforce can help, so you have to be very aggressive on the car. The Puma chassis doesn’t require so much support from the aero side”.
https://www.wrcwings.tech/2022/10/31...agers-explain/
Good point, so "easier" puma.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergiow
Who are the development's drivers for Msport?
Breen was complaining both in Spain and Japan that the front tires overheat/get worn too easily ( due to too much grip??) and he has to try to be gentle with them.
Turned around it can be he was used to previous i20 (as described by Loubet) that required more aggressive push on front.
Matthew Wilson did much of the development testing for Puma Rally1.Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
To me watching from outside, in tarmac trim at least, the Puma looks like it is very direct in initial turn in, but once it’s turning it has quite a bit of understeer.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
All the current cars understeer a bit in tarmac trim, I guess because no centre diff, but I would say the Puma is the most pronounced.
Of course what I’m seeing might be wrong, and it’s actually the opposite in that they throw it in and then let it understeer as the front is too strong, but looking at the onboard inputs, I think it’s more likely the former.
All of the i20's have been largely tailored to Neuville and his frequent use of the handbrake at all speeds to reduce understeer.
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2022/wrc...ng-2023-seats/
Notice that Fourmaux is not mentioned.Quote:
Naturally, we’re talking with Gus [Greensmith] and Pierre-Louis [Loubet] – both those guys had a successful 2022 season with us and we’re interested to continue working with them.”
Also Tänak and Loeb mentioned but it's more like not closing any doors on anyone.