Really? How about "There is no appeal." - Tony George, in the middle of ripping off the 2002 Indy 500 from Paul Tracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaimWitz
Now that's a quote.
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Really? How about "There is no appeal." - Tony George, in the middle of ripping off the 2002 Indy 500 from Paul Tracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaimWitz
Now that's a quote.
Chap, I agree. The things it has going for it are already an ABC deal and races shown live, a sanctioning group which also understands what a promoter needs and makes because there's one (IMS) across 16th Street from their office and TG started a race team to better understand the costs car owners were complaining about. It has both Barnhart and Cotman, who developed respect as officials in each series on their own.
I don't think there is distrust between VERY MUCH of the two groups of racing people. In Indianapolis, throughout the split, teams from both series have helped each other with this little thing or that little thing -- transporting a car somewhere or "can I use your paint shop?" and the like -- and there are cottage industry people who serve BOTH series.
Maybe Forsythe and George could have a longstanding beef with each other, I suppose, but I've never heard that said, but KK and Pettit haven't been around long enough to distrust and hate and Gentilozzi was just in it for his 15 minutes of fame and keeping the CW jihad stoked.
With the series rank and file, I don't think that's a problem at all.
Hey, PTCrash3, Glad I woke you up and got you to post here rather than that other dark place. Hate the IRL all you want to but the facts speak for themselves. They get paid to be on TV and bring their races to venues. Speaking of asinine, ChampCar doesn't get paid to be on TV and only a handful of venues (that they don't own themselves) actually pay them anything. I can't see that changing, can you? The Amigos have never had a prayer of making CCWS into a real business. CART was another matter entirely so let's not confuse the two. As for the TG quote you posted, that isn't my favorite -- I would have chosen "33 is only a number". Regardless, I personally can't wait until PT wins his second Indy 500.Quote:
Originally Posted by PTCrash3
You must really HATE P2P and option tires.....Quote:
Originally Posted by PTCrash3
Or my fave, the Handford Device.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbyars
Sanguin? Is that you? Ah, it could be Clydecart, or maybe Mike15, no? Hmmm, zero?Quote:
Originally Posted by PTCrash3
Who you mean "let's" to? Dude, don't even bother including me into your cult thing. You're not in CCFanatics. Just a reminder.Quote:
Originally Posted by PTCrash3
Well, it seems we are only hours away from the end of The Split despite certain individuals' best efforts to stop the peace plane. I thought it might just be time for a little song from Johnny Crash:
I hear the plane a comin'
it's flyin' round the bend
and I ain't seen the sunshine since I don't know when,
I'm stuck in Splitsville prison, and time keeps draggin' on
but that train keeps a flyin' on down to Grandson Anton...
When I was just a baby my mama told me. Son,
always be a good boy, don't ever play with DP1s.
But I called a man in Lansing just to hear him lie
now every time I hear that G5 whistle I hang my head and cry...
I bet there's rich folks eating in a fancy G5 jet
they're probably drinkin' Pinot and smelling their own farts.
Well I know I had it coming, I know I can't be free
but those people keep a lyin'
and that's what tortures me...
Well if they'd free me from this prison,
if that One Series was mine
I bet I'd move just a little further down the line
far from Splitsville prison, that's where I want to stay
and I'd let that lonesome G5 whistle blow my blues away...
"I like my racing as technologically advanced and as genuine as possible"
LOL the eternal Champcars are more technologically advanced myth...
Newsflash!!! the Cossies are over 10 year old technology!!! The turbos are almost century old technology... NA engines are not low tech... heck F1 engines are NA and they are by far the most technologically advanced engines out there...
The Dallaras are crapwagons line was just propaganda that was used to justify the hatred for the IRL...
As much as you hate TG you can't walk around wtih blinders... doing do was the ultimate demise of CCWS...
CCWS turned into what every fan hated (single chasis, single engine, single tire, spec series, with a handfull of ride buyers) but the hatred for TG was so that fans were willing to support it just to "stick it" to TG... It's over thank God...
Now the quicker TG messes this up too, the sooner a new formula will surface, with better teams, better venues and (like it or not) the 500 in it's former glory!!
So, we all wait together for the news now certain to come.
The subject of this thread has obviously captured some attention here so I ask again, what happens next? Perhaps we can shift our focus to what should happen next now that we are about to have one series
What should happen that will be good for the sport? What should not happen that will be bad for the sport?
I know there will be political responses laced with "FTG" and "Lawn Dart" hatred but I also hope that some sensible and constructive thinking is posted. From here on, it will be about the future, not the past for most of us involved in the sport so why not here too?
I think a melded series takes advantage of all the publicity surrounding the coming together of these series. I check newspapers regularly and even the Tahlequah (Okla.) Daily News is following this on the wires. It will be a HUGE motorsports story when it breaks.
But that will NOT sustain it, nor will it have a "microwave" effect on the GENERAL public. In order to get a significant rise out of the GENERAL sports fan, it's going to be the personality stuff from a Helio, Danica and Tracy to start with and others as they develop and the series can develop them.
This will NOT be instant success, but it offers a platform for growth, and growth will come slowly as confusion goes away and the name "Indy" increases in importance. That will come by each autograph signing, each appearance, each solid race, each tenth of a rating point over a period of time, although some may find it quite easy to criticize that it doen't move faster.