WRC Rally Argentina 2012

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Originally Posted by J4MIE

I think that what I would like to see is what they had the first year it was introduced - ie you can go back out and get the milage or test the car or whatever, but not be included in the results at the end of the day, simple. Not enough WRC cars finishing at the end of the event for you? Tough, that's how it is.

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If you can't reach results neither points, why to return to rallying?

Do it just to spend money and help organizares having more cars, is not very interesting to a team.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Without that stupid system in all last decade they would drive to finish. Even to finish shall be something of an importance, a goal to achieve like it always used to be. It's like when they run 3000 meters on a stadium and someone after two laps stops and joins fresh again two laps before finish. It's just ridiculous.

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Mirek, you have to options. You can save 2/3, or you can save none.

I prefer to save 2/3, than none. It's not fair to the ones who retire on the last leg, but ok. I prefer that. Sordo, Armindo and Mikkelsen retired on the last leg. Bad luck for him.

I think you guys are looking too much into the problem. Just expand the time penalty's and let them get on with it. I know it's easy to complain here behind computer following the rally but out on the stages spectators want to see cars, simple as that.

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Originally Posted by JAM

In fact you are a guy that understand the things, but ONLY if Loeb isn't in the midle of the scenario.

If Loeb is in the midle of the scenario, the things like you wrote above would be conspiracy theories :D

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dont confuse with my avatar.Credits are given where they deserved.So simple.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Without that stupid system in all last decade they would drive to finish. Even to finish shall be something of an importance, a goal to achieve like it always used to be. It's like when they run 3000 meters on a stadium and someone after two laps stops and joins fresh again two laps before finish. It's just ridiculous.

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I see your points Mirek, and in part I agree with them. If Superrally never existed then drivers would drive differently as finishing would be all the more important and there'd be no second chances, and therefore there would probably be more finishers. But as Francis44 stated, fans need to see more than 4 or 5 cars on the stages, and if nothing like Superrally existed then in rallies like Argentina, this years Portugal or Greece there would likely be very few finishers. As you say, 'to finish first, first you have to finish' is a critical ethos within rallying, but while it keeps the soul of the rally, it disappoints the fans, drivers and teams when only 4 cars are running at the end. If rallying was as big as in the past where there were much larger and higher quality entry lists it wouldn't matter, but when the list is only 35-odd cars, and only 5 or 6 world class drivers then I think Superrally is needed.

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

The Rally2-system isn't what the sport should be... It would be better if someone who retired isn't in overall classification anymore, that's just fair, it's not normal that you can almost destroy your car and join again the day after...
What I think could be nice is if there's no rally2 (so if you retire the overall classification is something you can forget) but next to the normal system (25 points for winner etc) a system that rewards the best performers (meaning most fastest times, second fastest times etc) with for example 10-8-6 etc. There would be a reason to restart, without taking away the points from people who can complete a rally without making any big mistakes. It could be an extra reason to keep pushing for someone who can't gain a position in the general classification anymore...

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That's potentially a good option, however in this instance Loeb and Mikko didn't have to push as they wanted a 1-2, whereas Petter had nothing to lose so could go flat out for stage wins. Having said that, your idea would stop people just driving to maintain position as stage wins would result in points so they'd still have to attack to gain those points.

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

The Rally2-system isn't what the sport should be... It would be better if someone who retired isn't in overall classification anymore, that's just fair, it's not normal that you can almost destroy your car and join again the day after...
What I think could be nice is if there's no rally2 (so if you retire the overall classification is something you can forget) but next to the normal system (25 points for winner etc) a system that rewards the best performers (meaning most fastest times, second fastest times etc) with for example 10-8-6 etc. There would be a reason to restart, without taking away the points from people who can complete a rally without making any big mistakes. It could be an extra reason to keep pushing for someone who can't gain a position in the general classification anymore...

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Please, mantain the WRC simple. ok? No more confusion. These theories of make thing to leave the drivers to push are useless.

One of the solutions was to give a penalty by km and not per stage. A driver that retires receive the same 5min penalty by a 10km stage or by a 60km stage. It's not very fair.

It's only a question of finding a solution to solve the problem of the last leg.

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Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

But as Francis44 stated, fans need to see more than 4 or 5 cars on the stages, and if nothing like Superrally existed then in rallies like Argentina, this years Portugal or Greece there would likely be very few finishers.

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If you look at Greece or Portugal rally results from the 70s and the 80s you can see that a lot of times only a few (sometimes 4 or 5) of the faster drivers finished the rally. And rallyes were very popular at that time.

For a moment ignore the public/TV factor and think about WRC only as a sport. If one race is 500km long how can a pilot that only drove half the distance get points for his performance? Or how can he finish in front of other pilots that drove the whole 500km?

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/wrc/a...entina_030.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/wrc/a...entina_033.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.p...1&fotograf=188

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Originally Posted by jcatanho

If one race is 500km long how can a pilot that only drove half the distance get points for his performance? Or how can he finish in front of other pilots that drove the whole 500km?

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^^^This.