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With M-Sport you don't need to think about "sharing" cars. They can have two cars in a rally or five cars in a rally. It doesn't really matter who they enter for manufacturer points because they cannot realistically compete for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny0405
Millener still talking about Breen in the future tense....
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/breen...nded-millener/
M-Sport 1 hour ago. What's going on? :rolleyes:
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Puma Rally2? Puma Rally1 slot car?Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
Probably announcing a Dakar car and maybe even registration in 2023 Dakar?
However, one big question mark for me if they made a Dakar car as evoked for some time: Prodrive accepts to lend Loeb to M-Sport (because he had an exclusivity contract with Prodrive) for making some WRC outings. Not sure at all David Richards would like to see M-Sport coming in Rally-Raid in these conditions.
Slotcar models?
They've just confirmed they won't be at Dakar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny0405
Lack of spare parts or supply of parts according to Wilson
Maybe as Fiesta is set to be discontinued, they will make Rally2 car out of Puma?
This i'd say.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
FUTURE OF M-SPORT BUILT FIESTAS
Following the announcement that the Ford Fiesta will cease production in 2023, M-Sport would like to highlight that the production of Fiesta based rally cars will continue and preparations have been well underway for some time in anticipation of this moment.
The Fiesta makes up the backbone of M-Sport’s rallying activities, representing 80% of its current rally car offering, and is the only line-up in the sport with a model offered at every level of the FIA’s Rally Pyramid.
Thanks to M-Sport’s close working relationship with Ford, the Cumbrian outfit has been aware for some time that the Fiesta model was coming to an end. With the cooperation and support of Ford, M-Sport has comprehensively increased its stock of Fiesta body shells to ensure production continues across all models for years to come both in the UK and Poland. All of M-Sport’s Fiesta based rally cars continue to be developed too, with multiple updates planned for the entire line-up in the next twelve months.
The Fiesta represents some of M-Sport’s greatest achievements and successes, its crowning highlight coming by way of the Fiesta WRC that led M-Sport to five world championships in 2017 and 2018. M-Sport’s love affair with the Fiesta started in 2005 with the Ford Fiesta ST Group N car, bringing a much loved and affordable homologated rally car to the masses.
Since then, M-Sport’s Fiesta based cars went from strength to strength, offering its customers the opportunity to start from the sport’s grassroots and rise to the very top in the same iconic car model. In total M-Sport Fiestas have claimed in excess of 2,000 overall victories, a truly awe-inspiring figure that reflects the popularity and success of M-Sport’s customer operations.
Malcolm Wilson OBE, M-Sport Managing Director, said:
“The Fiesta is a core part of M-Sport’s business activities and has been behind a lot of the company’s success in the past two decades. Thanks to our long and storied partnership with Ford, we were able to begin preparing for the end of the Fiesta’s production well ahead of time. I would like to assure all of our customers that we will still be building Fiesta rally cars for years to come, both in the UK and Poland.
“The Fiesta was the very first customer focussed car M-Sport developed and I think 2,000 overall victories speaks for itself. Development is underway across the board with our Fiesta based cars as well, with the Fiesta Rally2, Rally3 and Rally4 currently enjoying thorough development programmes.
“I’d like to personally thank Ford for their support over the years with the Fiesta. Ford and the Fiesta allowed M-Sport to grow as a business with its customer programmes which Ford trusted us with and continues to do so.”
Mark Rushbrook, Director of Ford Performance, said:
“The Fiesta has seen incredible success in rallying which is largely thanks to the time and effort M-Sport has put into its comprehensive ‘Ladder of Opportunity’ for over a decade now. Ford Performance has proudly supported M-Sport with all of its Fiesta based programmes from the very beginning and we have enjoyed incredible success together. We want this success to continue, and Ford Performance will continue supporting M-Sport with its various development programmes for Fiesta based rally cars.”
Good for M-sport, drivers and fans!
But, Ford going to "marketing" a model they don't sell anymore?
Or have Ford a new model in pipeline, in some years to come?
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They even didn’t added the new facelift Fiesta to Rally cars.
So what next for M-Sport after the “years to come”? What then?
With this announcement it feels even more that Ford doesn't care what is happening in WRC. For a car brand it makes no sense to promote a car that is not available in their lineup. Today it is okay-ish to drive with them but in "years to come". Seriously?
Rumoured to be the Puma.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
The road car is on the Fiesta platform so not that different in chassis terms. But getting that taller bodyshell to work as a rally car will take some doing. Having said that it's only 1cm higher than the Citroen C3 and that has made a decent Rally2 car...
Below WRC all those cars are for 'customer racing' purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
It's not core for Ford, and matters less that it's not a current car anymore.
With Ford's difficult financial position and the switch to an all-electric lineup of road cars, it makes sense to hold fire before committing to a new Rally2 car. Also the possible change in regulations to hybrid is another factor.
I thought the same, they knew Fiesta's destiny and they changed for rally1 with headlights from Puma on fiesta chassis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
The can do the same for Rally2, in the aim to show the car is updated on aestetic base
Rally1 Puma is not a Fiesta chassis.Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
Puma road car shares Fiesta road car platform.
Yup, only the prototype showed in Goodwood was Fiesta that looked like Puma, but final car is something else... Still probably similar tho
Running gear probably yes, but chassis wise no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
Rally1 is tubular and resized.
Rally2/3/4/5 need be a production car.
And Fiesta Rally3/4/5 works fine, they just have to fix the Rally2, especially on loose surface.
Everywhere...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
https://www.m-sport.co.uk/copy-of-fiesta-wrcQuote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Yes Bespoke tubular
Just curious that the link on the site is about fiesta
The rally 2 is a disaster from the start because there was no proper driver devloping it mainly only Mathew Wilson. All around the car is easily worst of the rally 2 cars even old polo and old Hyandai are better in some aspects. They promised upgrades to Huttunen from sweden but they never came. Only small aerodynamic improvement. Kristensson, Suninen and Huttunen all hated it. Maybe M-sport just now doesn’t have the resources to devlop it. Some customers also have returned it to M-sport like Sarazin motorsport.
Yeah, curious URL, but could be something generated by a CMS, when you have just wanted to make a similar page as the previous Fiesta WRC page, pressed "copy", resulting in "Copy of Fiesta WRC" page and forgot to change the URL.Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
The Fiesta WRC is on https://www.m-sport.co.uk/fiesta-rally1 ?!
Maybe the CMS kept crashing so they sacked it and made do with the parts they had.
Breen officially out
https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-pos...reen-part-ways
Yeah, so if they by some miracle get Tänak or Evans, which i doubt, M-sport will be screwed next season, maybe if Loeb makes few outings, but otherwise will be crashing and 5-6-7 places for M-sportQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
They talked to Tanak after he announced he was leaving Hyundai so they were trying to do a deal. Breen out surely means another driver in and Tanak has history with them.
Maybe M.Wilson will have a last hurrah with his team & the Puma and fund the deal himself...
I wrote earlier: Tanak and M-Sport can only be a business decision, there must be some side project involved. Smth like Dakar or similar. Red Grey ( even name talks) was MM+OT side deal to the paycheck in Hyundai.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I know everyone was speculating that Ott wont go to M-Sport because it wont make sense. Car is behind in development and funding quiestions, but this news made me thought that what if it actually makes sense.
I mean, maybe Ott going back to M-sport is his way to thank M.Wilson, and also, maybe salary isnt big issue and Ott would come down with numbers, because as Hyundai years showed, money can be good, but i you dont have car, then it hard to fight. Also he mentioned new challenges. Maybe the new challenge is to help to develop Puma to be equal with others. Comparing to Hyundai I think M-Sport has 100% trust in Ott feedback and developing questions whereas in Hyundai there could be scissors between going Ott whay of development or Thierrys way. And I wont think M-Sport would end Breens contract if they wouldnt try to make room for someone else. I mean there isnt anyone really better to take besides Ott and it only would make sense if Tänak is moving to M-Sport.
My two cents after Breen news.
Argue!
5-6-7 without Loeb, Evans or Tänak would be too optimistic. If Loubet is also gone then 8-10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
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Other teams will only have six cars ahead, so 7-9 :PQuote:
Originally Posted by cali
Yes, or they have retirementsQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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Well i was considering on some rallies people ahead crash, so 5-6-7 at the best, not all the time ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
It's never specific. A fresh challenge is diplomatic way of saying you're not putting up with the same old bullshit anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oraamat
Any chance Tanak will ask and get to test the Puma before making a decision ?
(I assume if he has a Toyota option too then neither team would let him test.)
If there was any chance for Malcolm to get Tänak, I think he would give Tänak as much testing as wanted..Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
If joining Toyota, it wouldn't need any testing, IT IS GOOD.