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I like how in the post race presser, Loeb comments on beating the two Fin drivers next to him; Mikko is all like:
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While you know Jari is inside all like:
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpzx2xXVd71qhdftx.gif
ABS-box or something dropped in top of the turbo and whole electricity wires at engine room burned. 3hours work and car was alive again.Quote:
Originally Posted by tolis
Ok, first of all I never even tried to have this as a reason for the Finns bad results, I as many others in Finland KNOW Loeb is the best and that's it.
Secondly I worked as a mechanic with 2 works teams until 2004, and still have lots of collegues there. Also my primary work still is all about motorsport so I work with several suppliers to the WRC factories still!
So I think I at least have a slightly better knowledge about things than the average Joe.
Anyhow in the beginning when I joined this forum it seemed to have a good conversation going on(compared to the Finnish ones where I never post anything) and there still are members here that I can clealry see have some knowledge of things, like Mirek for example.
But I am tired of kids trying to teach their Fathers how to F_ _ _ so this will be my final thread here.
Have fun and keep on guessing whatever you want!
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Originally Posted by AMSS
Such a shame you feel that way. This forum badly needs people who have touched the cars and can answer to the "fans" who are always saying "so and so is all washed up, finished! They're sooooooooooooooooooo slow" when they are 1/10 of 1% different, and those who say The ____________car is SOOOOOOOoooooooooOOOOOO much faster because.. blah blah"
Don't go.
AMSS// It´s people like you that makes this forum. It´s not for not that I found this forum years ago on a link on Bosses website.
So don´t mind the kids. Be grown and continue to tribute this forum in the future!
Thank You for compliment which I don't deserve but please don't leave. Use ignore list instead to get rid of comments You don't want to read and take it easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
As this thread is already starting to show signs of paranoia, it feels unnecessary to go back on how I experienced the event. But I still do:
What've been already said by many other spectators, Loeb & Hirvonen ran cleaner in corners and jumps, and that made the difference during the rally I think. The fast places we were at at the beginning of the rally (SS3 Mynnilä and SS4 Urria) the difference didn't show, I was only aware of it through hearing stage times. But on some twistier parts (Mökkiperä, Surkee, even Lankamaa's fast flowing left some 700m before the finish) it was open to a naked eye that Citroens were doing better. Hirvonen should've attacked more however, but when you're against Mr. Loeb, it's not happening if Mr. Loeb doesn't want it to happen. Also notable that out of the 6,1s Mikko lost, 3,4s came from the two SSS. I think Loeb's victory was the closest finish ever in the history of Rally Finland.
Latvala was disarmed through the rally. His comments on Friday morning sounded like his comments on Saturday morning the last year and I think he would've hoped to find that miracle set-up change and neck&shoulders massage at the next service - but he didn't. Third is still decent enough: At our place in Ouninpohja 1 (10,0 km - left, over crest jump, right) he jumped too far and it wasn't too far that he would've ended high speed into big trees.
Other notable drivers:
- Neuville. If someone finds time, it'd be interesting to compare his times (or time loss per km) on Ogier's times in 2009. They were kind of in same situation. Neuville had his problems, but he did very well.
- Lappi and Nikara. Both delivered. Enough said.
- Lindroos. A Loeb-like rally for him in 2WD class. Delivered.
- Evans, Dubert, Chardonnet. Hope to see them again.
- Block and Nobre. It is true that if you only look at the split times from your computer, you wonder why they're there, but rallying is so much more than just being the fastest - or just following it at home. Block was clearly having a mature approach and was always nice to watch. It would've been interesting to compare his times against Wilson jr. - I'd guess he wouldn't have lost too much even against more experienced Finland goer like Wilson is. Nobre of course isn't nothing special on stages, but I've never heard anyone being so heartfelt and excited at the end of the stage interviews. Tourist yes, but a polite one. He doesn't bother anyone by his driving.
It looked as if there were less spectators this year. Lots of foreign spectators too to create the atmosphere since it feels like Finns supporting their own in positive way is harder and harder every year. We did 10 stages with my friend and had a loose enough schedule not to stuck in any particular traffic jam. My friend did the QS too and his car's trip meter had around 1250 km when we finished - and we were based in Jämsä, pretty much the rally center. Lahti-leg alone was 500 km. Not so much walking this year, roughly 25 kms, but we compensated on that by driving bikes to Ouninpohja the same 25 kms (my bike was from the year Carlos Sainz won, it hardly had breaks and if Marcus said "three (gears) is enough" for Ouninpohja, I didn't think the same about only one gear). I'm also very happy about our choices of places, did some classics too like Urria's Mikko's jump and Palsankylä's big jump.
It was also very nice to meet in person with Tom. Also met one other Belgian guy (if you read this, send me PM), some newbie Dutch fans and also a group of French jump-crazy spectators. On Mynnilä stage we advised them to go to Palsankylä jump, and as we left the stage, we ran into them at the jump and I rarely see so happy face as they had.
Here's my friend's set of photos from the places we visited: rallyphotos.kuvat.fi
http://rallyphotos.kuvat.fi/kuvat/NO...280&hash=d1d4d
To me it seems that "the pain is too big" for other than Finns. It sounds like an old broken record.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
What you explained about the changes in Citroen appeared to me as news, not as excuses.
And I'd like to add too, don't leave for this.
I think in this forum has lot of kind of people (like any other though), some are interested apart from the events themselves, also in the technical & driving stuff, others just use opportunities to bark against one or other because you see Loeb is so freaking great, other are just sick dogs and might wonder what are they doing trying to compete against him, blah, blah, blah, better change their profession and we must watch only Loeb.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
So the first group always welcomes such technical information of car development, because racing besides for fans amusement is vital for manufacturers to develop technologies for future road cars, and that is what interests common drivers as well.