Miguel Medina (Mexico) will do the 2016 Dmack Cup as he won the 2015 Nacam Fiesta Cup.
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Miguel Medina (Mexico) will do the 2016 Dmack Cup as he won the 2015 Nacam Fiesta Cup.
Meeke to Toyota potentially. He's visited, Tommi likes him. Aiming for 3 cars.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122137
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Are we going to discuss this in 3 different topics? :)
I think there's room in other topics as well
Corsica confirmed for 2016
http://www.tourdecorse.com/2015/2015...rme-pour-2016/
Sorry chaps, hadn't seen those :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Guanajuato stage in Mexico will be in 2016 80 KM's long :D
I miss the point why it shall be any good?
My smiley was sarcastic, it's indeed no good such a long stage. The altitude alone is already quite tough for the competitors and cars I think then such a distance.. Not necessary at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
What a bunch of pansies commenting it'll be a tough stage, or its too long... it's RALLY!!!
Yes, but WRC. Not Paris - Dakar.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Yes, exactly. 1/4 of the rally length shall NEVER be just one stage. This year's fail of Tour de Corse was not enough so we make the stages even twice longer? Now let's see what happens when such stage must be canceled or we pray to God that nothing like that ever happens. Sounds like a good plan, doesn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Finally some stage length to challenge the drivers and cars...now they just need to make the whole rally longer too.Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
It reminds me of the 60km long stage in Sardinia last year. Coming from the stage before that one, we arrived half an hour after the stage started. We were still in time (short before the finish) even to see the 0-car. After some 15 cars the stage was cancelled because of Al-Rahji's crash. On longer stages the chance of cancellation is many times higher, for safety reasons (public), for crashes (car blocking the road or crew needing help) etc. Also regarding fair-play these long stages don't do any good, there's a much higher chance of drivers being blocked by the cars (or dust from cars) in front of them... For both competitors and spectators I think having more shorter stages is more fun and safer.
I'd prefer to see the comeback of really long days (like saturday on Sardinia this year) rather than the comeback of really long stages... :)
Stupidity at it's best.
Any bets who's gonna win that stage?
So teams will travel several thousand on kms for a risk to miss 1/4 of the rally if the stage is cancelled. Good job.
I'm not gonna bet who's gonna win the stage but I bet that Tänak with his Dmacks will be finishing on rims :p
Ogier with tyre change at 40km, can easly win :spin:
Just as easily you can have a whole afternoon of 3 stages canceled for exactly the same reasons, so please come up with better arguments.
I understand that for spectators it might be frustrating to only see one pass but also for organizers it might be easier to focus all volunteers/police on one piece of road. Also, it adds to the challenge.
No, it is more common that one stage is canceled than three of them. If a car block the road it blocks it for that stage not for the others. As for the challenge, I think that a so long stage will kill it because gaps will be huge at the end of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
When do they do it? Day1 or 2? Hope not day1.
no, day3, sundayQuote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Plenty of people (myself included) have been calling for more endurance in WRC events. But I think we'd all say we'd prefer longer events rather than a gimmick stage within an existing event.
That said - it's not like Mexico (or any other event organiser apart from maybe the Monte) can go and add in significant extra mileage because the inflexible FIA rules don't allow it. They'd simply get thrown out of the championship. The teams (and drivers) would also throw a strop. Increased costs would be cited.
Secondly we constantly criticize events for being too similar and lacking any character or identity. So while you could say it's ill-advised, at least Mexico are trying to do something different within the restrictive framework they've been given.
Until the FIA and the teams open their minds to adopt a proper double points endurance event in the season then we're going to be stuck with stuff like this.
Does make you wonder, how much do costs actually increase if an event runs for an extra 100km, with no extra service stops added to the itinerary. Having flown the car, equipment and team halfway around the world, I can't imagine the additional mileage is a huge % increase.
It's a bit like the situation with WTCC, where they fly to Argentina or China for a 10 lap race.
The costs would be too high indeed... So let's add China to the calendar! I'm sure most people on this forum would prefer to see less events on the calendar (like 11 or 12), and leaving the organizers more freedom to take make their events something to remember.
I don't think endurance events should be given more points. Who can tell it is/was more difficult to win the Safari Rally than to win in Finland?
UFO can land there too. Come on, it's way higher probability that THE one stage must be canceled than whole section in another rally. For spectators it's worse, for teams it's worse, for the sport itself and safety it's worse as well. Let's take some points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
- with such stage it's inevitable to see unprecedented number of overtaking on a gravel stage which is both dangerous and unfair
- one stage counts for 1/4 of the rally which makes all other stages something like a warm up for this one stage
- in case such stage has to be canceled a loss of 1/4 of the millage (recent history shows that such scenario is realistic and the risk of cancellation grows significantly with longer stage)
- such stage length doesn't fit in Rally2 rules - we will definitely see again a ridiculous situation when retired drivers set faster times than those who drive trough
- while for WRC teams 80 km is not so big problem it is definitely a problem for privateers, cars suffer a lot with growing distance, especially brakes in Mexican high-altitude conditions will be an issue; for that reason I expect most of the private entrants to just cruise through
- spectators will see less stages and particularly on this stage very little action aside of works drivers
- it's dangerous for spectators too because long stages always suffer from very uneven time gaps between competitors; towards the end of the of the competitive field it's very realistic to expect often gaps of ten or more minutes between two consecutive cars; people naturally tend to walk on stage when nothing happens anymore
- longer time gaps will have to be given on startline to at least partly prevent overtaking and dust issues; that brings us back to spectators for which such stage will be really boring; moreover I'm quite sure that only WRC drivers will be granted 5 minutes gaps or so and others will just suffer; that's anything but fair
- in case of cancellation notional times have to be given; they are usually very unfair in WRC events for everyone except WRC drivers; I can't imagine what the stewards will do here; if the cancellation really comes it may happen that holding a lottery in Paris prior the start would be as fair as finishing the event
Completely agree with the idea of fewer, better. Each round should feel special and bring something new to the table. In the short-term simply bringing back a full third leg and allowing for more stages on a Thursday would be a massive boost. I also agree with dodge33cymru's point.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
The only reason I mentioned double points is that in this day and age I think you'd need that to convince the teams to do something like the Safari. Because while you couldn't say it's harder to win the Safari than Finland, it certainly costs a lot more to win the Safari. But there's rough endurance events like the Safari and then there's just simply adding more stage kms.
Sadly it doesn't seem that any of it is up for discussion.
I would like to see the WRC condensed into somewhere between 8 to 10 events - all of them some kind of endurance type event. 5 day Rallye Monte Carlo, Safari Rally, 5 day Circuit of Ireland, Rally d'Italia covering the tarmac and gravel stages from old Sanremo rallies and the Rally Mille Miglia stages in Brescia, a Rally GB covering Wales, Yorkshire, Kielder and as much of Scotland as possible. Not just for the sake of nostalgia, but because of seeing an event really worth watching that covers some amazing scenery and properly formidable stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
I live in hope...
You do live in hope - as there's no way that will ever happen.
The purist in me would like to see it - as that was when the WRC was at its best; but time has moved on, sadly and those events are unlikely to happen.
I don't even think a halfway house will even happen; the fewer, better, individualistic events type of WRC with a mix of sprint 2 day events & endurance full 4 day events plus the current generic WRC event. Monte-Carlo would have to be an Endurance event, as would RallyGB - then that event might actually gain some mainstream coverage.
As it is, I think we're stuck with what we've got, which doesn't really inspire me - and neither do the efforts of RedBull, who I think have been lazy with their coverage.
You do, but it's good you do it, for god sakes, let's not finish hoping at least here in a forum :) . In a realistic point of view they can at least try to take something from this scenerey. Maybe going there for more than 3 days is impossible but three days can be very different from each other on every round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
Surface can change, mileage can change (see Sardinia day2 for a realistic example), characteristics can change, endurance vs sprint/speed can change. They can do it if they want.
The point is that this must be planned from the beginning, starting with car specs rules that should afford all the differences between rounds. I don't think a Safari could be possible with actual cars for examle.
Yep, a sort of Grand Slam (4 long rallys) in a mixed endurance/sprint 12 events calendar would be great and maybe it'll become the solution in a near future, as the calendar expansion is showing clear limitations.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Btw, the 80kms mexican ss can be challenging, but the risks of running it in a current format wrc event are huge and were proprely explained in the previous posts. FIA officials are a bunch of incompetents if they don't make Mex organizer reconsider.
Unfortunately there are many things in life these day where we have to accept that times have changed. However the WRC is an example of over-homogenising to the point where there is little to get excited about or interested in. What point is there in the rule makers trying to control every minutiae to end up with something that they think is what the multi million $/£/€ motor manufacturers want when really all sports thrive on the interest of the fans - be it Joe Public or the hardcore?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
The powers that be don't really understand that what they have is something pretty uninspiring right now. A lot of that can be down to the Ogier dominance effect (not much anyone can do about that, unless you relent and introduce gimmick rule changes in a desperate attempt to chop someone's legs off an the knee) but I think the key factor is the homogenised rallies and cars.
Up until last year or possibly the year before Rallye Monte Carlo refused to allow Rally2 to be part of their event, as was their right, and were the only ones that did so. Now it's dangerously close to being just another WRC event. Someone needs to wake up and realise that just one (preferably more) event doing something fundamentally different can create a lot of interest.
Similarity breeds boredom
True, WRC can get a better compromise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
Maybe we’re all a bit too much attached to the “golden eras” impressions (it seems all past times were golden until Loeb and Ogier appeared…) and tend to forget there’s a glorious future just around the corner.
Having four of the top 5 auto industry giants (and another one from the top 10) involved in 2017 WRC it’s a clear sign that things aren’t that bad, but there’s certainly room to do more and better as fans expectations aren't entirely fulfilled.
It’s vital to preserve WRC identity and heritage (something that RB/MH seems to be steadily learning), but reasonable innovations bringing new fans to the sport must also be welcomed.
China join up it’s probably the most important one (if FIA manage to help organizers making it a success) and it should be an opportunity to improve WRC layout, in order to get a set of principles and rules easily understood by all.
Hoping for the best!
^this makes so much senseQuote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
I'd love to see the safari back with double points...
Would be so awesome.
I don't know what to think about this "all rallies are same" stuff. OK, they are similar but they are still different to each other. Look at other motorsports. F1, Moto GP, Nascar or even Rallycross, they are on a completely different level of similarity than WRC can ever be and the people somehow don't find it boring too much. Even if majority of F1 tracks is designed by the same man and it's totally irrelevant if the circuit stands physically here or ten thousand kilometers away.
Not trying to say that more diversity isn't welcome. For sure I support such idea (but reasonable diversity). What I wanted to say is that diversity is probably not the biggest problem our sport has. Rallying from it's nature is one of the most diverse motorsports ever and the cloverleaf format doesn't change that much on it.
I miss Safari..Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
So do I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arnold Triyudho Wardono
Ola Fløene is codriving mads according to FB page!
Is Mikkola going back to Mikkelsen then?
Weird stuff.
Also I miss safari
Edit: My bad, already posted in silly season... note to self, do your reading next time!
No Mikkola is enjoying the occasional Audi demo run, Markkula is a possibility though ;-)
Ah yes, right ;)
Does anybody here thinks Raikkonen will be back to WRC in 2017? Or... would u guys like to see him back to WRC?