another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

The reason I keep posting is because I disagree vehemently with a lot of what I see here, and because few others seem willing to enter into the discussion and disagree with you. Numerically, it appears dominated by pro-gun Americans. And I seem to have to rebut a lot of absolute nonsense regarding my own position — that I'm a fascist, that I'm anti-American and so on, much of it coming from people whose political compasses seem terribly skewed, or worse.

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It's dominated by pro-gun Americans because it's an American issue. It's enlightening to note that there is not a lot of anti-gun sentiment expressed by Americans here, tells you something if you are listening.

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One other thing — I have no idea why you respect my thoughts, given that you disagree with them. By all means respect the right to have them, but I think respecting the thoughts themselves is a cop-out when you oppose them.

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I respect the thoughts of most who can state them in a clear manner. Much can be learned by listening to people of opposing views. Sometimes it even leads to changing your own views. Only fools think there are no other valuable viewpoints in the world.

Your right to have those thoughts is a tenet of American existence - as opposed to many places in the world.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I wouldn't consider you to be a moderate.

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Oh, you would be surprised. My nickname with quite a few of my friends is actually Ivan because they think I'm a pinko commie. I don't disagree with to goals of many social programs, it's the methods to achieve those means that tend to disgust me. Essentially Taking my guns because they scare you just crosses the line soooooo far for me.

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Originally Posted by nigelred5

Oh, you would be surprised. My nickname with quite a few of my friends is actually Ivan because they think I'm a pinko commie. I don't disagree with to goals of many social programs, it's the methods to achieve those means that tend to disgust me.

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Fair enough — my apologies if I misrepresented you.

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Originally Posted by nigelred5

Essentially Taking my guns because they scare you just crosses the line soooooo far for me.

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Not what I'm saying at all, but never mind.

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Originally Posted by Starter

It's dominated by pro-gun Americans because it's an American issue. It's enlightening to note that there is not a lot of anti-gun sentiment expressed by Americans here, tells you something if you are listening.

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A majority of people support all sorts of things I find abhorrent.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Your right to have those thoughts is a tenet of American existence - as opposed to many places in the world.

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Again, there's no need to single the US out here, as opposed to any of the other countries whose citizens are represented here. I know you're not doing so, but I resent deeply some of the suggestions one hears that the form of freedom espoused by Americans is somehow unique and superior.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

The day I do anything that you would 'prefer' will be the day on which either I die or hell freezes over.

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You already live in hell so how's the weather?

Interesting little facts

In 2010 more people died in the UK from such things as:
Accidental poisoning by and exposure to alcohol
Accidental poisoning by and exposure to narcotics and psychodysleptics [hallucinogens], not elsewhere classified
Intentional self-harm by hanging, strangulation and suffocation By a factor of X8
Fall by a factor of X10


Than all Americans killed by someone with a rifle.....Including those vile, evil Assault Rifles.

Now remember that the USA's population is 5 times greater than the number of "Subjects" in the UK.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Only one of those advocating the policy, namely Jag_Warrior, has actually come up with anything much beyond what I'd define as 'fiddling in the margins'. In addition, to my eyes it's only Jag_Warrior who, as it were, 'gets it'; who admits there's a problem, who understands the notion of an underlying culture being a contributing factor.

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I said that way back in Post 713 and you ridiculed me for saying it. And I included more than just the culture. I said our ethics, our politics, our psychology, our economy--along with our culture--made solving our gun control issue a complicated one.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Again, there's no need to single the US out here, as opposed to any of the other countries whose citizens are represented here. I know you're not doing so, but I resent deeply some of the suggestions one hears that the form of freedom espoused by Americans is somehow unique and superior.

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My bad, I shold have been more clear when I said "Your right to have those thoughts is a tenet of American existence - as opposed to many places in the world.". I meant by the American reference that it's codifyed in our Bill of Rights. Along with all of the other rights so included.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

High Taxes and yet your state is still broke.......and your beaches suck.

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Yea' our beaches bro suck!

http://tonyrobertsphotography.com/wp...h%20100667.jpg


At least we have some freakin' waves!!!

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-ge.../017483-01.jpg
http://travelbugster.files.wordpress...a-coast-x2.jpg

And my favotite, Point Reyes State Park (below) Of course someone of your girth could not handle the 4 mile hike through some of the most beautiful land in our country to enjoy it.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/trazzler-ima...af1fae43-1.jpg

You are more than 100lbs overweight aren't you?
Go to 1:00 of Tony's webcast........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W35un-1YIM

You are bro dying of obeasity dude!! Do you hang out at the beach much? You must be a sight with your shirt off!!

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Originally Posted by nigelreds

they all feel Maryland Is a vastly more tolerable place to live and work.

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Sorry your boyz couldn't hang dawg!! How's the weather up in there right about Jan 3 2013 in Baltimore?.....San Diego high 67F

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Yea but California is experiencing one of the largest internal migrations in US History.

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California's population has continued to increase every year from 1850-2012.

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California is still growing and although it is difficult to track down any predictions, there is no reason to suggest that this growth will slow down. As such, could the population of California continue the trend and explode beyond the 40 million mark by the time of the next Census in 2020?
Population of California 2012 - World Population Review

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Now get yourself on a Stairmaster for christ’s sake!!!! :rotflmao: [

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Originally Posted by nigelred5

It does nothing to address the problem, the failure of our justice system to address illegal possession of firearms, and it totally sets the scene for forcible confiscation of ALL firearms just as is already on the books in Kalifornia.

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How do you trust the justice system to enforce laws, when you don't give the proper authorities enough power to enforce them?