The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Thanks for the imput guys :rolleyes: :confused:
OK back to the pertinent function or this thread:


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I sincerely hope Ferrari aren't thinking about incorporating exaust into tyre heating (It might be useful for quali.) because accidently being overambitious on the throttle and the rears heat quicker than icecream in the sun already The big trouble is getting the fronts to work as quick as the rears.


I would think The new exhaust layout and hot air could more likely result in reducing their drag = another small gain of that solution.
BTW I'll hope that is not the same side pod and engine cover they race in Valencia.(unless it's a solution that really Kicks @$$) ;)
Compared to the red bull it looks way too bulky :(
No shark gills! I'm guessing because they will have plenty of heat disapation from the underside, and the open area up above.

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Excellent spot there Tazio.

Couple of questions spring to mind.

With the increased heat around the brake area, might they get overheating issues and the old long brake pedal issue? Secondly, what about if they're held on the line for a bit too long. Surely exhaust gasses exit at several hundred degrees and will overheat the tyres on one side. Even if they don't damage, wont it cause issues going into the first corner with cold on one side and too hot on the other?

Ferrari obviously know what they are doing but I can understand the Diffuser flowing much more than this.

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Originally Posted by skc

Excellent spot there Tazio.

Couple of questions spring to mind.

With the increased heat around the brake area, might they get overheating issues and the old long brake pedal issue? Secondly, what about if they're held on the line for a bit too long. Surely exhaust gasses exit at several hundred degrees and will overheat the tyres on one side. Even if they don't damage, wont it cause issues going into the first corner with cold on one side and too hot on the other?

Ferrari obviously know what they are doing but I can understand the Diffuser flowing much more than this.

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The more I think about it, there is one of a few things that could be problematic. I'll just address the one:
Ferrari is overjoyed about wind tunnel data. I think the exhaust may well overheat the push rods, just enough to upset the aero balance. Red Bull uses pull rod geometry. The key I would think is Ferrari have enough time to go to a pull rod rear. But it may be outside the rules at this point. That is pure speculation.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

The more I think about it, there is one of a few things that could be problematic. I'll just address the one:
Ferrari is overjoyed about wind tunnel data. I think the exhaust may well overheat the push rods, just enough to upset the aero balance. Red Bull uses pull rod geometry. The key I would think is Ferrari have enough time to go to a pull rod rear. But it may be outside the rules at this point. That is pure speculation.

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It's a bit like the F-Duct isn't it? The McLaren was designed with this in mind from the get go, so was the Red Bull, so the 4 tests before season start was used to evaluate and make changes etc.

Doing these changes on the hop, WITHOUT TESTING, especially something as volatile as the exhaust gases, is I imagine very risky.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

It's a bit like the F-Duct isn't it? The McLaren was designed with this in mind from the get go, so was the Red Bull, so the 4 tests before season start was used to evaluate and make changes etc.

Doing these changes on the hop, WITHOUT TESTING, especially something as volatile as the exhaust gases, is I imagine very risky.

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Precisely!
It's legal to construct a pull rod member put a torch to it and observe with a high degree of certainty what the physical effects are............................. even for Italians :eek: :uhoh: :laugh:

Fitting the system on the F10B and knowing with complete certainty how it will affect the overall balance is a different "kettle of fish" :grenade:

Risky, of course, but Mclaren did major changes last year without testing which worked.

Of course, they had little to lose then, but Ferrari need to be aggressive too.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

It's a bit like the F-Duct isn't it? The McLaren was designed with this in mind from the get go, so was the Red Bull, so the 4 tests before season start was used to evaluate and make changes etc.

Doing these changes on the hop, WITHOUT TESTING, especially something as volatile as the exhaust gases, is I imagine very risky.

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wouldn't this modification be against the rules

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Originally Posted by truefan72

wouldn't this modification be against the rules

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Originally Posted by tazio

The more I think about it, there is one of a few things that could be problematic. I'll just address one:
Ferrari is overjoyed about wind tunnel data. I think the exhaust may well overheat the push rods, just enough to upset the aero balance. Red Bull uses pull rod geometry. The key I would think is Ferrari have enough time to go to a pull rod rear. But it may be outside the rules at this point.

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That's what I was wondering ;)
Clarification please........ Thank you :confused:

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Originally Posted by Tazio

That's what I was wondering ;)
Clarification please........ Thank you :confused:

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...unless they can somehow convince folks that this was already approved in winter testing (like mercedes did) and that they are merely rolling out their testing chassis. Its a stretch but one that the fIa would be willing to bridge, since they let them make modifications already that raised eyebrows

We don´t know if all updates will work, it´s difficult to incorporate others idéas in their chassi during the season.

But, it´s probably that they will be faster than the macca boys this weekend, Silverstone will be another matter.

This weekend Seb will win.

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This may be a crazy thinking :)
Could the F10B have a Y or a split exhaust?
According to F1 spec's; variable geometry exhaust systems, have been banned :confused:
(unless Ferrari have worked out a fluidic switching system with no moving parts).
Can you say rear wing stall device? If not can you say f-duct ?
Not one but two exploitation of the rules if this could a be controlled in that same fashion :confused: :s mokin: