There is always a risk,but a paid R5 Fabia is always a better option than shelling out money for an uncompetitive 16 WRC.
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There is always a risk,but a paid R5 Fabia is always a better option than shelling out money for an uncompetitive 16 WRC.
Closer you are the top, better.
I dont think AM has much to prove. The (R5) drive on Monte is just to keep him sharp.
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Thank you, Yoda!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
different circumstances but i know a driver who had to sit out whole year doing only his home rallies, then came back and did a season with R5 and now this driver will be a teammate to 4-time world champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
what i want to say is that Mikkelsen is doing totally right by taking all the chances that he has at the moment. He just needs to keep himself in shape for 2018, although i think all the Citroen and Hyundai drivers have 2 year deals? M-sport (not confirmed) and Toyota drivers have one year deals.
it is still unbelievable that he didnt get a drive for 2017
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But it talks about a permanent site, not a whole country. Totally different thing. Permanent site means basically one road or a testing facility with many roads, but still doesn't allow testing on any road in one country in my interpretationQuote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Yes, it is actually very open terminology. There is no lenght or something else. So, basically, you can use pretty large region for that. For example, we have on testing track that is partly privately owned and partly public road that is closed during larger tests;)Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
This pisses me off too. It is clearly everything but...Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
I know the driver line up is entirely Finnish and it is based in Finland but there are definitely experienced people from other nations there.
Toyota Gazoo is a strange venture I agree but in their willingness to criticize it people buy NOTs crap totally.
Some nuance in the Toyota debate from both opponents and proponents please!
Agree with you itix
Like they say "if it works it's not stupid"
We will see in MC
Sometime it's easier to speak one language when developing a car you all understand each other well. I don't see what is bad about it. U less there is a rule that says that.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
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Citroen's Technical Director talks about the new 2017 C3 WRC
Written by Martin Holmes on 21 December 2016.
Laurent Frégosi is Citroen*Racing’s Technical Director and is in charge of their WRC programme, and spoke to RallySport Magazine’s Martin Holmes about the new 2017 Citroen C3 WRC.
He oversaw the technical side of the final year of Citroen in the WTCC in 2016 and has considerable experience from working on projects such as the Xsara WRC, the C4 WRC, the DS3 WRC*and the C-Elysee WTCC.*
He explained that work started on the 2017 World Rally Car around April 2015. *
Citroen Racing’s Technical Director, Laurent Fregosi.
“When we began work there were very few people in the design department, originally only two people, then three.* We didn’t begin with the full potential! *
“We progressively increased the workforce from September 2015, with everybody working on this project. The car is completely new compared to the DS3 WRC.* We have kept some philosophies, and even if a lot of parts are completely new, we have retained a lot of ideas on the DS3, though at the end we redesigned all the parts.”
MH: How many test cars have been built?
LF: We began with one test car in April this year (2016), then in July we introduced a second test car.* Since this date we have done each test session with one car. *
Since July 2016 we have two test cars.* We do one test with one and the test afterwards with the other.
MH: Has aerodynamic work been the biggest challenge in this project?
LF: It is difficult to say the biggest challenge, it is one of the challenges, one of the main differences, so we have done a lot of work in aero.* What has been quite difficult is to define the good shape from the aero point of view, which we would be able to maintain all through the rally.*
I am talking about damage to the car, especially losing some part of the front bumper.* It has been difficult to find a good compromise between the effect of damage and the aerodynamics of the car.
MH: How much benefit has the experience in Touring Car racing in aerodynamic work been to the rally car?
LF: The work we have done in Touring Car is not the same because the basic shapes of the cars are different. *With aero you cannot transfer something from one car to the other because it’s very dependent on the shape of the standard car, and on the freedom you have with the regulation, which are quite different between the WTCC and the WRC. *
The*basic objective of the aero work in both cases is the same, getting more downforce without creating too much drag.
MH: Moving on to transmission and the re-introduction of a central differential system, have you been using experience from the old Citroen days when they also had central differentials?
LF: The philosophy of how the central diff is working is quite similar between the new C3 compared with the old C4 on the mechanical way.* We have a quite different torque split than what we had with the C4, but the response is the same.*
Why we have more difference is because we now have the software to drive the pressure on the central diff.* We began with the same strategy for the C3 as with the C4, but we also have a new idea we have implemented in the software to gain more actuation in the way we are increasing the pressure on the central diff. *
We have developed the gearbox and the rear diff with Sadev.* We have worked with them at the beginning on all the design of the gearbox.* Then we work with them to define the design of all the parts, but it was a very close collaboration with Sadev
MH: You had many different test sessions.* What was the priority in the test work, was it gravel, was it endurance, was it asphalt?* What was the first priority for testing?
LF: The priority was on gravel surface because there are more gravel rallies than asphalt rallies, so it is more important to be able to run with gravel configuration.*
The other reason is that for reliability gravel is harder than tarmac, so to be sure to discover problems of reliability, it was more important to start off on the gravel.
MH: What is the history behind the engine?
LF: Because of the WRC regulation change we had to change a lot of parts on the engine, but using the experience we have had on the WTCC engine, which had very similar regulations as the WRC for 2017.*
We take experience from both WRC and WTCC.* We also improve with some new ideas that we have had and which we have experienced on the dyno, then we redesign parts of the engine for the new car.*
The 2017 rally engine is not exactly the same as what we had in WTCC.*
MH: Engine work with the new regulations has presented another challenge, because you are now using engines with a bigger restrictor in rallies, so has your experience on the racetrack with bigger restrictors helped with the development of the engine?
LF: It has helped especially because we have made a new engine.* In making a new engine we have taken experience that we have been able to improve and implement in the engine of the WRC car.*
The pressure of the turbocharger is the same as we had on the old DS3 WRC car, the only difference is because we increase the diameter of the restrictor.* So our aim with the engine management is to have good response on the exit of a corner, but having more power doesn’t change the WRC car a lot.*
The consequence of having more power with the same torque, maximum torque, is that we are using the engine at the higher revs than the older car.
MH: Has the suspension work been entirely done by Citroen or with outside help?
LF: In the beginning the work was only Citroen design.* We defined both gravel and tarmac suspension shock absorbers for the moment, but we plan to work with some specialist supplier of shock absorber, but not for the moment.* For the moment it is Citroen design.* *
MH: What unexpected problems have come in the development of this car, something you didn’t expect would be a difficulty?
LF: One of the problems was how not to damage the front and rear bumper.* We had also some problems of transmission with*the driveshaft.* That was something we had not expected, but they were not big problems, but problems we have been able to solve.*
I have to say that we have never had the big problems that we have to stop a test session.* We have always been able to run because we never had a big problem with reliability.*
It was a good thing to be able to make a lot of kilometres for each test session, no big problems.* We have had to modify the shape of the car several times, because we were also doing some simulation work until very late, not helped that some elements of design in the regulation were defined very late. *
The aim was to ensure that whatever problems we have will not stop the car, and every time we changed the shape we had to be 100% sure we would not increase the risk of damage to the bumpers, the front bumper especially.*
MH: How many rally cars will be built this season?
LF: We will have two cars built for each driver, two cars for each of the official drivers and one car for Khalid (Al Qassimi), so a total of seven.* We are also expecting sometimes to run four cars.
http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home...ew-2017-c3-wrc
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It's coming soon! #C3WRClaunch will be live on our Facebook page at 4:00pm CET
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find this photo,but don't know if its real and leaked.
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very poor live feed...Simmi motorsport news please?
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No fresh issue this week due to Christmas so nothing to report :(Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Nothing special but much better than the white-golden arabian crap.
Not amazing but it's okay, I expected worse from looking at the road car and test car... Don't like the green details though.
+1 I was waiting worse,but its better.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
At the last photos it's looking better
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to be honest, i dont like it
Looking forward to see M-sport livery
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Latvalas finnish (yle) interview after snow test. Feels happy and says that yaris is allready very good on snow. Easy to drive and handling well in braking. J-M says, that they need to get better in asphalt. He talk about losing motivation in 2016 etc. Now he is waiting every day like crazy to test that car. Imo Yaris looks pretty fast already in those new snow test videos. I assume that we saw pretty fast Yaris in Sweden :)
a letter from Kris Meeke
Hi everyone,
For sure, 2016 has been an interesting year. I remember this time last year, when I was deciding my future, I had to opt to not do the full championship this season, even when I knew there were certain rallies where I need more experience.
But it has turned out to be a fantastic year; we only did seven rallies, I know, but we had some fantastic speed and some great results. And all the time, we’ve been working really hard behind the scenes on the new car, and I think that approach will pay dividends in 2017. Of course, at times in 2016 the limited programme was frustrating – but I just had to look at the bigger picture, and putting all that effort into the 2017 car was very important. Hopefully we’ll reap the rewards of that next year and beyond.
It’s been fantastic to be part of Citroen Racing when they’re coming back as a full factory team. We all know their focus has been on WTCC for a while, so now the full energy is behind the WRC programme and it feels different – proper. I feel I’m ready for the challenge.
I’m writing this from the launch in Abu Dhabi and the car looks really good here. I can’t wait to get to Monte Carlo. We’re excited by the challenge and we want to get to the stages and just enjoy it, to be honest. We’ve shown, in fact, that when we do that – just enjoy it – the speed and results can come, so we’re aiming for that.
Hopefully we can get off to a good start in Monte and then see what 2017 can brings. I tend not to set targets; we all know my ultimate ambition is to be the World Champion, naturally, but I’m not setting myself specific goals beyond that. We just want to be at the sharp end – that’s the clear ambition.
Thanks again for all your support during 2016 – and to so many of you for liking my Facebook page, which is an increasingly important part of what drivers like me do these days. We’ll try to keep it interesting for you in 2017 – and some good results would be the best way of doing that, of course!
Wishing you all a great holiday season, and looking forward to an exciting 2017 ahead,
Kris
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I Really like the C3!
Not only no. 1 on the test videos speedwise, also looking really goodQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Meeke was speaking at the launch of the French manufacturer's new C3 WRC challenger in Abu Dhabi today. The car has been built to the FIA's new and exciting technical regulations that allow greater aerodynamic freedom, more engine power and the re-introduction of active centre differentials.
The cars are expected to be more spectacular on the stages than their predecessors and Meeke believes the most successful driver at the end of the season will be the person that has been able to tame their car the most.
"The 2017 car is an exciting machine, it’s quite a big step from 2016," the three-time world rally winner said. "We know the regulation changes but when you drive them in anger, they’re a different beast; you really have to be on your game, every metre, to keep on top of them.
"For me, the human element will come to the front even more in 2017, because in places it’s going to be difficult to extract the potential of these cars. At times they are so, so fast."
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That Citroen C3 is such a dumpy shape to start with that nothing will make it look exciting, no matter how big the aero attachments.
The C3 WRC livery is about as boring as it gets but at least its simple and doesnt make the shape look even worse...
I think the M-Sport Fiesta will look by far the best when its all liveried-up.
MC, S, MX -> 2 C3 WRC
TdC -> 3 C3 WRC
ARG -> 2 C3 WRC
PT -> 4 C3 WRC
IT -> 3 C3 WRC
PL, FIN -> 4 C3 WRC
GER -> 3 C3 WRC
SP, UK and AUS -> 4 C3 WRC
according autosport.pt
I think it looks like an alien, something you wouldn't see anywhere. I like that.
I find it funny, how people judge the cars t videos. Different cars on different roads with different tyres etc. The only way to make any comparioson would be that the cars would be filmed on same road, same road conditions and same tyres. So lets wait for first three or four rallies to judge which cars work and which not. Of course, drivers make a difference too
I agree, BUT, what else are we going to do as WRC fans, part of the fun in speculating what car is better, and then potentially finding out it was all a load of crap. I find it fun trying to read far to much into a video hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by COD
That's the way the game is between rallies. A rally is the only time we can compare the cars and see how they fare against eachother. Nothing else we can do other than speculate right now, perhaps switch off but I think that's hard for most rally fans in here where rally is a major part of life.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Another funny thing is that somehow (probably magic star trek stuff) the testing videos are quite accurate since i cannot remember a car looking slow on testing videos and was fast when the rallies started and visa versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Nothing better to do with the avalanche of testing videos and nobody knows what particular test is for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toyoda