The car is fast, no doubt about that. But yeah, too much reliability problems lately
Anyway, such a stuff already around Twitter
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8b6c09e538.jpg
Suits him well :D
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The car is fast, no doubt about that. But yeah, too much reliability problems lately
Anyway, such a stuff already around Twitter
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8b6c09e538.jpg
Suits him well :D
MSport might go for something like 2018 with one top driver and two very cheap/paydrivers.
But it all might be a way to put more pressure on Hyundai.
I dont see Tanak leaving Hyundai to come back to M-Sport, even if MW was to pay out of his own money like with Ogier.
He may not be happy about the team-orders in Greece, but at least the i20 is now improved in speed and reliability.
Ogier left for Citroen bcs M-Sport couldnt afford to develop the Fiesta and the same will probably happen now with the Puma.
I only see Tanak moving to M-Sport if Ford come back too.
It´s stupid by Ford of Europe if they are not able to pay Tänak´s salary, because Ford has already put a lot of money to develop the Puma. M-Sport can always say that they have no money for Tänak, but without him there will be only Loeb who can win some events next year. Of course it might be that this is enough for Ford, but clearly much more would be possible.
How much is the actual Tanak's salary?Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
I guess less than Neuville
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What brings you to that conclusion?Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
my Dream Line up for 2023
Ford M-Sport
- Tanak
- Mikkelsen
- Loubet
- Greensmith
Toyota Gazoo
- Rovanpära
- Lappi
- Evans
- Katsuta
- Ogier (4-5 Rallyes)
Neuville World Rally Team (ex Hyundai)
- Neuville
- Neuville´s Brother
- Sordo
- Solberg (as long as Papa pays)
Because i read on the web 2 mln thierry 1,5 tanak (unsure about referring 2021 season)Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Triple these numbersQuote:
Originally Posted by manthey
Really? We are in F1 mid-top drivers salary campQuote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
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Two MSport drivers led the rally and won stages in Greece.
None of them is going to NZ. Instead they have a driver that crashed every second rally this year and is currently 18th in WRC with 9 points, behind 4 Rally2 cars that started half as many rallies.
thats because Loubet and Loeb choose where they participate, typical that they dont do oversea rallies
If Tänak wants to switch teams, his salary is last thing that should stop him.
Underdeveloped car will be bigger issue.
By how hyundai put team order it's more than obvious that he have a new contract with team, mostly it should be m-sport by the main news what milner was putted on breen telling them show the result is signal that they ready to fire him.
Breen has a 2-year contract and they couldnt afford to pay him off and also pay to hire someone else.
Re Tanak, he has to say he's not happy with the team orders, but I'm sure he understands the teams reasons. Plus Neuville's morale also had to be considered after going so long without a win...
Yes. You could say about every rally "Loeb would be better in here" but he won't do more than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I would expect every driver, just like every professional team sportsperson, has a clause in their contract whereby it can be reviewed or terminated in the event of severe underperformance...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
In the end yes, but you are skipping a few levels here:Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
1. Breen, Greensmith and Fourmaux are MSport "official drivers" announced for full season already before the start. So they go "automatically", unless MSport chooses not to send them.
2. Loubet is said to be paying for everything (with FFSA) and does not have funding for full season. Overseas is likely more expensive than Europe. I am pretty sure he would not refuse to go to NZ if offered a free opportunity.
if i where teamboss at M-Sport i would leave Formaux and Breen at home and send just Loubet and Greensmith to NewZealandQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/loeb-...s-this-season/
Loeb said it before that the Puma suits his driving style. Hyundai didn't. C3 did on tarmac in 2018, before the big changes.
Could it be the opposite case with Breen? Breen was struggling with C3, especially when it was best on tarmac 2017-2018 (note for example 3 spins and bad times in Spain 2018 while Loeb won the race). Did comparably better with i20 and now it's back to struggling. Crashing is one thing, but the times are worse than in i20 especially compared with Loeb.
Well thought, but then again Breen and Loeb never did the same events in i20. The only shared event in C3 was Catalunya 2018.
Breen has continually praised the Puma so any under-performance doesn't seem to be the car, but rather the driver.
It's funny that the pressure of leading a team in 2022 has told on him more than the pressure to win a full-time drive in 2021.
I remember that Loeb didn't change anything (neither a click on suspension) when he won Montecarlo on PumaQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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Loeb have said many times that fiesta is a very easy driving car.
Confirmed to me too,when he had a small talk at Acropolis.
Makes no sense to put it on the Puma. Breen has pretty much led the development from September 2021 onwards. So, even if there were any incompatibility between the car and his style, it should have been ironed out long ago. Besides, Loeb says that everyone uses the same base set-up and then him and Loubet do some fine tuning, while the others go their own way.
Fiesta or Puma?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/loube...ounds-in-2023/
On the subject, well partially anyhow.
It's quite different though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
In Hyundai the "pressure" was only one he put himself. He wanted to drive more rounds, Hyundai was quite satisfied with him since mid 2020 onwards. Often he could also "hide" behind others under pressure, for example Tanak in Estonia 2021.
In MSport (without Loeb) he is the only one expected to deliver a result.
Horrible season
The car is good, drivers…..
And even the car is not that good; at this stage of the season and for sometime (At least 4 rallies) now, the Hyundai reliability is better than the M-Sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
New car for Tanak in Belgium, he won. New car for Neuville in Greece, he won. Sordo and Solberg jumped in Tanak's old one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny0405
As for the Puma's, I wouldn't say they are that great. Letting down Loeb, Serderidis, Huttunen.
2023
Tanak number 1
Breen number 2
Greensmith number 3
Solberg number 4
The two french boys out.
Maybe Breen will have to go as well. He has not been fighting for podiums very often.
They need a number 2 that is almost at same level as Tanak, so if he goes out, Ford could still end up at the podium.
So they need also EvansQuote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Maybe Malcolm can put two M-Sport teams :p
One team that is payed by him, and second team for those who are paying their seats.
And third for best motorsportforum members!Quote:
Originally Posted by Managarium
Apart from Rovanperä & Ogier who are on the same level as Tänak (or above since they do have the superior car & no offense to anyone else), I don't see anyone almost the same level he is; Before anyone says Neuville, well even he didn't match his own level this year from years past, yes he won in Greece but Tanak won 3 times this season including Golden boy's home soil on Tarmac. Evans might be a good number two but as we've seen this season, he hasn't been his dashing best. Besides, putting him back in M-Sport again, I don't think that would do him any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
With the end of production of Fiesta, what model to Rally2, Rally3, Rally4 and Rally5… maybe Rally-e in future?
We have to be honest that in Ypres by speed alone Tänak didn't perform at the same level as Neuville. Without that off Tänak would have been 2nd. Ofc to win it you have to keep it on the road and Tänak was very close to Neuville, surprisingly close actually. But overall when Hyundai got sorted their reliability issues (and even before that) Ott was the better performer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
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In Ypres also Evans drove faster than Tänak. Evans got 10 sec panalty that kept him behind Ott.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Think as it stands this looks to be a sizeable threat to M Sport's allegiance to Ford as the SUV like body styles that should be available dont seem to me to be ideal bases for rally cars. The Rally 1 is fine as that is spaceframe. Interesting times ahead regardless of Ford Europe's statement that they will be all electric by 2030.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira