another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by Gregor-y

And remember we're talking about gun control, not gun prohibition. On those grounds, I'd say political elements that oppose any restrictions are a more radical and intransigent group than anyone advocating a strengthening of regulations.

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Not quite accurate, in that many of the so called gun control restrictions are nothing more than disguised gun bans. As noted in a number of threads in this post, gun regulations are abundant in the US. Their enforcement and the resulting prosecution of criminal use of guns is part of the issue.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Not quite accurate, in that many of the so called gun control restrictions are nothing more than disguised gun bans. As noted in a number of threads in this post, gun regulations are abundant in the US. Their enforcement and the resulting prosecution of criminal use of guns is part of the issue.

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This proposed bill is a BAN, plain and simple. It's not disguised, it Bans not only military style weapons, but shotguns, handguns and a large class of rifles. It also includes restrictions that absolutely are infringements as well as deliberate measures to cloud exactly what it's total intent is, to ban firearms, prohibit any possibility of legal transfer of very valuavle personal property between law abiding family members. It does nothing to address the problem, the failure of our justice system to address illegal possession of firearms, and it totally sets the scene for forcible confiscation of ALL firearms just as is already on the books in Kalifornia.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

There is a sense in which she's being more courageous in mounting this campaign than are the vast majority of firearm owners.

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Courageous?

How is using the force of the government to disarm the people who you want to control courageous?

A real man would call it cowardly.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Whether deliberately or not, you completely misunderstand and misrepresent what I wrote. I criticised a section of American opinion; you take this to mean that I 'don't like Americans'. This is utter nonsense, and I'd ask you to apologise. I don't like the American gun culture, true, but this is a very different thing. Surely you have the wit to draw the distinction?

'Truly troubling'? Really? Cease the hyperbole.

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I would prefer that you would just say thank you for us Americans saving you and your country's ass on more than one occasion and then be on your way.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

As I expected — you don't truly believe in freedom of speech and expression. It's just a front. As soon as it diverts what you consider to be too far from your own views, you're willing to see people, for example, impeached.

As an afterthought, I'm increasingly delighted the UK doesn't have a written constitution for people to get absurdly hung-up about.

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Freedom of speech means that you must accept responsibility for your words as well. Impeachment is part of the Democratic process. Something that along with freedom of speech you and your fellow subjects fail to grasp.

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Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini

Lugar got punked in his 2012 bid for re-election and isn't even part of the 113th Congress. BTW the entire population of Indiana is 6.5 million, over one million less residents including unregistererd voters, felons that are prohibited from voting, and those of an age too young to vote than Feinstein received from the reseidents of "The Great State of California". In the here and now the constituency that is made up of residents in The Great State of Indiana decided he bro sucks. 61%-39%

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM01v_vVnbg

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Yea but California is experiencing one of the largest internal migrations in US History. The productive people are bailing on that sinking progressive ship that captained by Governor Moonbeam and his Democrat brown Shirts.

High Taxes and yet your state is still broke.......and your beaches suck.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Yea but California is experiencing one of the largest internal migrations in US History. The productive people are bailing on that sinking progressive ship that captained by Governor Moonbeam and his Democrat brown Shirts.

High Taxes and yet your state is still broke.......and your beaches suck.

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I work with 9 people, all life long residents that have relocated to Baltimore from California. To the last one, they all said they were disgusted by the liberal politicians ruining the state the insane restrictions on nearly every asPect of their life, and the insane taxation necessary to continually support everyone with a hand out. Quite an indictment of california if they all feel Maryland Is a vastly more tolerable place to live and work.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Part of the issue with your posts is that you have proposed no solutions, other than wishful thinking. I challenged you, a day or two ago, to bring your solutions forward. You declined to do so.

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I would have thought that the reason is obvious: that I believe the only solution that could ever achieve the desired effect is the one generally deemed unworkable, namely imposition of far tighter restrictions.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

I would prefer that you would just say thank you for us Americans saving you and your country's ass on more than one occasion and then be on your way.

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The day I do anything that you would 'prefer' will be the day on which either I die or hell freezes over.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

There is a sense in which she's being more courageous in mounting this campaign than are the vast majority of firearm owners.

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She's not courageous, she's been actively trying to disarm the American public with virtually the same legislation for over 20 years.She sponsored the original AW ban and state legislation while actively carrying a firearm for personal protection. She's a blatant elitist hypocrit.