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20th June 2010, 15:20
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by ioan

Exactly.

Anyway as long as Ferrari keep hiring only Italians it will be impossible for them to have the best technical team, unless an Italian is best in the world in each domain, which obviously isn't the case.

It may appear that way, but it is misleading.

It was Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne who decided to select and train people from Italy so that there was a homegrown depth of management to take over when they left and it has come to pass that way.

People who desired passionately to be Ferrari. Amongst these are Domenicali and Almondo.

I am sure if Adrian Newey were to offer his services and be prepared to move to Italy - surprisingly a constant reluctance from from non-Italians - there would be no objection.
20th June 2010, 15:30
Saint Devote

Today - Italy versus New Zealand: soccer version of Ferrari versus Mclaren!
20th June 2010, 16:21
ioan

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

It was Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne who decided to select and train people from Italy so that there was a homegrown depth of management to take over when they left and it has come to pass that way.

A quote from RB saying this would be highly appreciated.

Not that I don't want to believe you however I doubt that this was indeed their plan, especially that back then Todt was the one deciding and not Brawn and Todt never went on an Italian hiring spree.
20th June 2010, 16:33
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by ioan

A quote from RB saying this would be highly appreciated.

Not that I don't want to believe you however I doubt that this was indeed their plan, especially that back then Todt was the one deciding and not Brawn and Todt never went on an Italian hiring spree.

Naturally it was by agreement with Todt and this information including comment by Brawn is available in the excellent book: "Michael Schumacher" by James Allen, who spoke at length with the great driver as well as people such as Sabine Khem, Irvine and others.
20th June 2010, 17:23
ioan

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Naturally it was by agreement with Todt and this information including comment by Brawn is available in the excellent book: "Michael Schumacher" by James Allen, who spoke at length with the great driver as well as people such as Sabine Khem, Irvine and others.

I know that they were grooming people for the future of the team, however I never heard about them wanting to do it with only locals, Italians.
I am having a hard time believing that Todt and Brawn would have limited their choices to one nationality.
20th June 2010, 17:32
jens

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Originally Posted by ioan

I am having a hard time believing that Todt and Brawn would have limited their choices to one nationality.

Well, maybe it was the influence of di Montezemolo and him wanting an Italian Ferrari after the departure of Team MS already back then, hence promising young Italian engineers were given the best possible mentors.
20th June 2010, 17:41
Tazio

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Originally Posted by ioan

I guess we will know when LdM will think he has found 'better' Italians, like that 'funny' guy Stella who was getting on Kimi's nerves during the races last season.

So in other words, the short answer is yes dyer and smedly are in good stead and not in eminent danger of being booted.
Thank you :dozey:
20th June 2010, 18:17
Tazio

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Originally Posted by jens

My question does not mean that Ferrari will in fact finish 4th. It's more a hypothetical question based on the notion that if Italians like Ferrari to become Italian, would they like it at any cost and compromise. Oh, and by the way while we are at it, Ferrari factually finished 4th in the 2009 WCC...

As far as you know it's one guy! (Granted the man at the top)
Being Tifosi also can mean caring so much about the Scuderia that if this knucklehead thinks he's Il Duce
His narrow fascist @$$ may end up hanging upside down from a lamp post at an Agip station just like the last one!
20th June 2010, 18:29
ioan

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Originally Posted by Tazio

So in other words, the short answer is yes dyer and smedly are in good stead and not in eminent danger of being booted.
Thank you :dozey:

I never said that. Please read my post again, all you can conclude from it is that we do not know yet.

:dozey: :p
20th June 2010, 18:40
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by ioan

I know that they were grooming people for the future of the team, however I never heard about them wanting to do it with only locals, Italians.
I am having a hard time believing that Todt and Brawn would have limited their choices to one nationality.

It arose from the reasonable decision - initiated by Ross Brawn - to try and promote from within the organization rather than bring in people as was done for some time. This is sound management practice.

The decision to do so was a deliberate one and the requirement for anyone working for Ferrari in future to actually live in Italy was also instated by Ross Brawn. He totally disagreed with the way it was done in the John Barnard days.

And so Ferrari has become operationally more Italian as a result.

It does not exclude anyone based on national origin - just that they reside in Italy and unless it is an exceptional circumstance already be employed by the Scuderia.

This policy makes good sense to me.

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