another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I give up.

There is no irony in my statements whatsoever. I believe there to be at least a degree of paranoia and fear underlying the desire for gun ownership. Everything I have read in this discussion has borne this out. However, nothing that I have written has been in any sense anti-American. I've been critical of one aspect of your country's laws — that's all. This is also, I'd underline, a matter of my opinion. By contrast, it is a fact that I am in no-sense anti-American. I think I'd know this better than you. So, enough of the 'they're all against us and we don't care' whining. An apology is due. I would never dislike an entire nation.

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Can you at least concede that your statement regarding the Swiss murders/gun laws/and culture can be seen to be anti-American? You basically have said that you can not trust Americans with that statement. Why can you not see that? I suppose for the same reason that you can not see that reasonable people can have differing opinions. Everyone must hold your opinion, or they are wrong/paranoid/fearful/etc.

I am done with this line of the thread.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Now over 1000 posts and to be honest, it seems that many of the pro gun crowd and responsibly gun owners are much more open to compromise than those opposing guns.

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Only one of those advocating the policy, namely Jag_Warrior, has actually come up with anything much beyond what I'd define as 'fiddling in the margins'. In addition, to my eyes it's only Jag_Warrior who, as it were, 'gets it'; who admits there's a problem, who understands the notion of an underlying culture being a contributing factor.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I think I know the sense and meaning of my words better than do you, with respect.

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But clearly you do not understand how others interpret your comments.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Can you at least concede that your statement regarding the Swiss murders/gun laws/and culture can be seen to be anti-American?

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No, I will not concede that, because it's simply not true.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Only one of those advocating the policy, namely Jag_Warrior, has actually come up with anything much beyond what I'd define as 'fiddling in the margins'. In addition, to my eyes it's only Jag_Warrior who, as it were, 'gets it'; who admits there's a problem, who understands the notion of an underlying culture being a contributing factor.

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I don't believe anyone on this thread has stated that there is no problem. Many of us are merely stating the fact that adding more and more restrictive gun laws on law abiding citizens does NOTHING to solve the problem. And to top it off your "solution" to the problem is completely unworkable, and unrealistic.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

But clearly you do not understand how others interpret your comments.

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By contrast, I think I understand exactly why.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I don't believe anyone on this thread has stated that there is no problem. Many of us are merely stating the fact that adding more and more restrictive gun laws on law abiding citizens does NOTHING to solve the problem. And to top it off your "solution" to the problem is completely unworkable, and unrealistic.

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What 'solution' have I proposed, exactly?

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Originally Posted by Starter

You confuse policy making with the flavor of the day. And then, only if it's YOUR favorite flavor.

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I wouldn't call gun control a flavor of the day unless you think the last 20 years of group/children shootings should be considered recent. Remember the original assault weapons ban came from a preschool shooting spree in 1991 or 1992. And remember we're talking about gun control, not gun prohibition. On those grounds, I'd say political elements that oppose any restrictions are a more radical and intransigent group than anyone advocating a strengthening of regulations.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So your point is that since Feinstein is from a larger state, and therefore has a larger voting pool, that she is somehow "better"??????

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No........she represents more individual Americans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b5LzCOc98E

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

What 'solution' have I proposed, exactly?

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Part of the issue with your posts is that you have proposed no solutions, other than wishful thinking. I challenged you, a day or two ago, to bring your solutions forward. You declined to do so.