People Power

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

I'm not against the gap closing (I'm all for everyone having money/being secure/happy etc) but I am against people expecting things to be done for them to get it instead of doing it themselves.

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But so do I. So do many of those protesting. The friends of mine who have taken part are far from being the sort of people you describe.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

For me REAL success is raising my kids to be hard working men who respect their elders, respect that hard work, dedication and persistance is the key to success and to ensure my wife and I can retire happily later in life. Having money is just a bonus. You can't take money with you when you die, but you can keep your legacy when you are gone.

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In that I wholeheartedly agree with you.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

I'm not against the gap closing.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

I am against people expecting things to be done for them to get it instead of doing it themselves.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

The fact is there are people out there that refuse to put in the hard work and effort to do things for themselves yet they expect these things as some sort of "right" of theirs, so they publicly protest and interupt the rest of our lives in the HOPE that they get what they want.

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Yes, there are some people like that out there, but there are also many (more, I suspect) who want to improve themselves and their position but simply cannot do so for many different reasons (access to education, health etc). I believe they should be able to do so, and that everything should be done to remove barriers to them doing so because we all benefit in the long run. That doesn't mean handing things to them on a plate!

Assuming that the Occupy movement is only made up of "lazy" people makes it easy to dismiss it, but I think that would be an unfair characterisation of many of those taking part.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

I'm not against the gap closing (I'm all for everyone having money/being secure/happy etc) but I am against people expecting things to be done for them to get it instead of doing it themselves. The fact is there are people out there that refuse to put in the hard work and effort to do things for themselves yet they expect these things as some sort of "right" of theirs, so they publicly protest and interupt the rest of our lives in the HOPE that they get what they want. Poor form :down:

People need to start appreciating what they have and not what they don't have.

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I don't suppose that you've been to Soweto have you? The people of Soweto earn on average just 17% of the wage as the people in the rest of Johannesburg; maybe the township of Kliptown means something to you?
Do you mean to suggest that the people of Soweto should expect that nothing should be done for them and they should do it themselves?
People born into places of poverty in many cases simply cannot afford things like education, electricity and whatnot and yet you expect them to merely fend for themselves?

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Originally Posted by Rollo

I don't suppose that you've been to Soweto have you? The people of Soweto earn on average just 17% of the wage as the people in the rest of Johannesburg; maybe the township of Kliptown means something to you?
Do you mean to suggest that the people of Soweto should expect that nothing should be done for them and they should do it themselves?
People born into places of poverty in many cases simply cannot afford things like education, electricity and whatnot and yet you expect them to merely fend for themselves?

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They are all being given free houses, free medical care, free education, child grants etc etc which come from my taxes. If they can't improve their lives with those advantages, then what else do we do?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

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Yes, there are some people like that out there, but there are also many (more, I suspect) who want to improve themselves and their position but simply cannot do so for many different reasons (access to education, health etc). I believe they should be able to do so, and that everything should be done to remove barriers to them doing so because we all benefit in the long run. That doesn't mean handing things to them on a plate!

Assuming that the Occupy movement is only made up of "lazy" people makes it easy to dismiss it, but I think that would be an unfair characterisation of many of those taking part.

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I'm sure many of us in this forum can also talk about our professional/economical successes in life that have come to us by our hard work, responsibility, commitment, desire, etc.

Some of us are practicing our professions by having gone through the "higher education" route or by learning it "on the job".

Bottom line is that like many, many others out there that NOW want what we achieved and that are equally hard working, committed and responsible people, the fact is that for them, at this moment of time - there are LESS OPPORTUNITIES out there.

It's a fact.

Something that is constantly mentioned on this side of the pond is that parents of college bound children are told not to get rid of their children's rooms because there is a 80% possibility that their children would return to those rooms after graduating because of lack of work opportunities for many, many professionals out there - *sorry, no link - just what I heard on the telly - so it must be true ;)

It's tough out there and the economic climate does not look promising.

Oh, and add to that, those professional sons and daughters that are returning to their childhood rooms, also are carrying with them a large college debt.

Nice way to start climbing that proverbial ladder. :dozey:

Something is definitely wrong with this picture - ergo, there is a problem that has to be solved.

Oh, and something else, many of the occupy protesters are those students and graduates that are living this reality and do not want to take it any more. They know they have the power to create change.

Occupy Dammit!!! :)

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Race - i hear your pain. But do you honestly think any of the people running for or currently in our government has the ability to make changes. Newt or Mitt ?? ha ha will just join the DC country club and line their pockets. Why is it that you must hit bottom before you can start back up. To put forth a good analogy is rebuilding this country with our government as it is would be more difficult that rebuilding the following

Daughter Crashes Dad's New Ferrari - YouTube

I hope this movement proves useful in creating positive results in respect to the economy.




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Originally Posted by Rollo

I don't suppose that you've been to Soweto have you? The people of Soweto earn on average just 17% of the wage as the people in the rest of Johannesburg; maybe the township of Kliptown means something to you?
Do you mean to suggest that the people of Soweto should expect that nothing should be done for them and they should do it themselves?
People born into places of poverty in many cases simply cannot afford things like education, electricity and whatnot and yet you expect them to merely fend for themselves?

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Yep!

Many others have done it. Why can't they?