[WRC] 91e Rallye Automobile Monte-Carlo (16-22 January 2023)

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Originally Posted by cali

"One wheel on the road" rule certainly is not at fault of rallying's current state.
Can I suggest to instead of moaning you propose another set of rules where competitors would follow the course and will not use off-road excursions to gain time?
I thinks it's a bloody good rule to have against cutting. Yes it created some controversy but this can be done basically with any rulebook. There's always someone who's not satisfied.

The problem is not the rules but we, the humans

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Although the rule in itself is made with good intensions, it's just impossible to properly check and enforce in rallying.
If you have to rely on complaints from other competitors, and accidental video evidence by spectators, you just create an unequal playing field.

At that same corner gryazin was penalised for, many cars have cut. Many of them are clearly seen on video, even at least one wrc1 car. Yet only gryazin gets a penalty here. Rightfully so, he cut where he shouldn't have. But everybody else who took the same cut should get the same penalty.

Like it is now, it just opens the door to random penalty's. Either you have officials who notice the infractions and remains there for the entire duration of the stage, or you don't penalise at all for cutting where that is physically possible.

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Originally Posted by denkimi

Although the rule in itself is made with good intensions, it's just impossible to properly check and enforce in rallying.
If you have to rely on complaints from other competitors, and accidental video evidence by spectators, you just create an unequal playing field.

At that same corner gryazin was penalised for, many cars have cut. Many of them are clearly seen on video, even at least one wrc1 car. Yet only gryazin gets a penalty here. Rightfully so, he cut where he shouldn't have. But everybody else who took the same cut should get the same penalty.

Like it is now, it just opens the door to random penalty's. Either you have officials who notice the infractions and remains there for the entire duration of the stage, or you don't penalise at all for cutting where that is physically possible.

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Well argued.

This is the problem the FIA will face. Are they there to genuinely police and enforce rules, or are they just there to adjudicate when someone complains.....

They risk being seen to be completely passive and thus reasonably dispensable....

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Originally Posted by denkimi

Although the rule in itself is made with good intensions, it's just impossible to properly check and enforce in rallying.
If you have to rely on complaints from other competitors, and accidental video evidence by spectators, you just create an unequal playing field.

At that same corner gryazin was penalised for, many cars have cut. Many of them are clearly seen on video, even at least one wrc1 car. Yet only gryazin gets a penalty here. Rightfully so, he cut where he shouldn't have. But everybody else who took the same cut should get the same penalty.

Like it is now, it just opens the door to random penalty's. Either you have officials who notice the infractions and remains there for the entire duration of the stage, or you don't penalise at all for cutting where that is physically possible.

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i don't think is random. everyone could have submitted the same protest for anyone who is seen on the video. if this didn't happen it's just because for others it would be not worthy enough.

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Originally Posted by Co-driven

Yes, you're right and I assume somebody must have done some mistakes.

And also some cars (I've seen Ford's and Hyundai's) with the number on the roof, when it should be on the top right corner of the windscreen...

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There was a mistake from organiser as they delivered to team only one sticker instead of two. So somebody put it on front windscreen, somebody to the rear. Only later they have delivered second one to the teams...

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Oliver wins PS in WRC2 and finishes 2:18 after Gryazin, with one puncture and one off loosing some 3:30...

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Not true. Oliver was not competing in WRC2, so he cannot win PS.

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Originally Posted by PLuto

Not true. Oliver was not competing in WRC2, so he cannot win PS.

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You know what it means to be fastest, don´t you?

Big crash Compilation | WRC Rally Monte Carlo 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw1u...annel=Carmovie

Attachment 2375

unbelievable
https://twitter.com/MundoRallyes/sta...74570136539137

the behaviour of the fans and marshalls was really shit this year IMO

what the hell was that what dimviii posted and the fans with their naked asses and making love on stage side and putting drivers into danger with the ice making, also i saw many times them standing in idiotic places. the opening ceremony was also a joke with a host who was barely talking english

i know it wont be dropped from the calendar but if it would be for couple of years, i wouldnt miss it to be honest. at least not this bone dry Monte what we had last year and this year

Fans throwing snow on stages has been an issue for like 30 years or so, at least.