another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by chuck34

That is PRECISELY what the Constitution was written to do, hold back policy-making. Perhaps you would be better served speaking only of your own laws.

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I am well aware of this fact, and would say that I am certainly not in favour of policy-making for the sake of it. On occasion, though, changes are required. This, in my view, is one such occasion.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I am well aware of this fact, and would say that I am certainly not in favour of policy-making for the sake of it. On occasion, though, changes are required. This, in my view, is one such occasion.

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Then you favor an Amendment to be drafted and voted on. Fine. I would/will oppose such a measure, but that is how our system is set up.

When our Founders set up the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, they did not do it for all eternity. They KNEW they would make mistakes, so they set up ways to correct them. They did set up the system to be difficult on purpose to stop emotional knee-jerk reactions and mob rule from becoming the law of the land. They included the Bill of Rights on purpose as well. They wanted it to be very difficult for future generations to be able to strip us of our right of free speech, the bearing of arms, the right to have a jury trial, to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures, and all the rest. They did this in direct response to those rights being violated by the very government you praise for having the freedom to "policy-make".

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Originally Posted by henners88

If I lived in your country I wouldn't own a gun either. I wouldn't allow them to be carried into my home nor would I want my children exposed to them in any way.

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You know, that's the nice thing about living here. If you did, no one would force you to do any of those things. The reverse apples to those who wish to own them.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

The degree to which your constitution is sacrosanct will, it's true, always baffle an outsider. In this respect, it holds policy-making back.

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You confuse policy making with the flavor of the day. And then, only if it's YOUR favorite flavor.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Whether deliberately or not, you completely misunderstand and misrepresent what I wrote.

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That's what you do all the time. Then, when called on it, say that's not what you truly meant and you really meant something else.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

There is a sense in which she's being more courageous in mounting this campaign than are the vast majority of firearm owners.

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I'm sure you misspoke (mistyped?). You actually meant "disingenuous" and not "courageous".

Folks, speaking as a moderator, can I ask you to take care with the personal comments.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I try to be civil, but my patience wears thin. Your feelings were hurt when I say that you dislike Americans, and I am supposed to apologize for that, yet you continue to call me and others paranoid, ignorant, fearful, and worse? You like to point out the irony in other people's statements, yet you do not see it in your own.

Oh yes, yes, you were only referring to "certain people", "specific circumstances", on and on. We get it, you only dislike those you disagree with. And yet your statements about "culture" and the Swiss murders pretty much damn all Americans for having a "bad culture", basically saying Americans can't be trusted, yet the Swiss can.

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I give up.

There is no irony in my statements whatsoever. I believe there to be at least a degree of paranoia and fear underlying the desire for gun ownership. Everything I have read in this discussion has borne this out. However, nothing that I have written has been in any sense anti-American. I've been critical of one aspect of your country's laws — that's all. This is also, I'd underline, a matter of my opinion. By contrast, it is a fact that I am in no-sense anti-American. I think I'd know this better than you. So, enough of the 'they're all against us and we don't care' whining. An apology is due. I would never dislike an entire nation.

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Originally Posted by Starter

I'm sure you misspoke (mistyped?). You actually meant "disingenuous" and not "courageous".

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Hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Starter

That's what you do all the time. Then, when called on it, say that's not what you truly meant and you really meant something else.

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I think I know the sense and meaning of my words better than do you, with respect.