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Who are "we"? Are you talking for everyone? It looks like a good community (reason I registered and replied). I doubt everyone literally only cares about WRC and nothing else on the planet. WRC doesn't exist in a vacuum.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
is it so difficult to undestand that this is a forum for RALLIES?Quote:
Originally Posted by firstromario
We dont care about politics here,thats why you will not find ANY politic conversation at this forum.
It wasnt a good idea to register here because you dont like Gryazin.
We dont care if you like Gryazin.
Here we discuss about rally Chile.
I agree with dimviii but also agree with the new guy to an extent. Everything is political. But what I do not understand is to think that everyone who was born in russia should be excluded from the world. Yes the russian dictatorship and the actions off it are a f**** shit show but by no means every russian person is a mindless c****. In the same way that not everyone in germany or austria was a offender in the late 30ies and early 40ies (plenty of people in both countries gave their live in their own fight against the most horrible dictatorship that ever existed) not everyone in russia is an offender and it is insulting to the people of russia that take the fight to putin to think the best solution is to erase russia and it's people from the world and act like that country doesn't exist.
Please fuck off with your politics and stupid ukrainian propaganda. We just want fast drivers, this has nothing to do with ukraine of russia.
And these guys just showed up with almost no replies, trying to state they represent all on this forum.
Anyone has the new standings after chile?
Man, this guy just showed up to shit here. I propose if he will not stop he should be blocked by moderators. Or if he is smart enough that he goes himself or just comment rallying stuff. Although he could still be here, just not mention that topic. He should complain about FIA politics, as we do all, since they are obviously at war with rallying community.
Seems like it hurt quite much..Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Kalle has won or crashed from leading position in every rally he entered.
Overall, Neuville has 29p lead. I can see Thierry getting a zero rally from upcoming events but Tänak hitting 30p on a tarmac rally is impossible. So cup is pretty much safe for Neuville.
Again, if only Tänak had gotten 12 more points from Poland saturday and at least 18p from Finland...
From PlanetemarcusQuote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
WRC.....https://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/
WRC 2.....https://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc-2/
Neuville has 29 points over Tanak, 41 points over Ogier and 46 points over Evans.
In CER, Neuville could win the title if he outscores Tanak by 2 points and at the same time Ogier doesn't gain more than 10 points over Neuville. Which means that Neuville would still have to push to achieve that, so nothing is over yet. Mistakes or technical troubles can change everything.
I really wonder if we will see a change of tactics from Neuville. After all pushing too much when not necessary has cost him at least the 2017 title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dontcut
If he drives at little less than full push only Ogier and Evans should be faster than him on CER. Ending 3rd would still basically secure the championship.
For manu champs I think Toyota is the favorite at the moment. Both Tanak and Mikkelsen are 2-3 places slower in the Hyundai than what you would expect of them on tarmac. In practice it means Tanak is clearly behind both Ogier and Evans and Mikkelsen behind Fourmaux and Katsuta ( if Katsuta says on the road).
The point advantage is likely not enough if Toyotas don't run into issues.
Solberg to appeal Rossel’s Chile notional time:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/solbe...mccvINlCaPNSXg
Don't the WRC2 crews have same system as Rally1? (pushing a button alerts the car ahead?).Quote:
Originally Posted by erikli2
I watched the onboard and Solberg basically drives out right in front of Rossel (who had very good splits, until that point). There is not much dust, but knowing there is a car potentially just 20 meters ahead that you can't see (in the fog). Certainly would make anyone slow down as it is crazy dangerous.
Yes, you can argue that's the situation otherwise too but that's not the same. Now you know a car is there and the car had an issue, was it puncture, driver error or some technical glitch which can come at any moment, you have no idea. In case a driver crashes with normal spacing racecontroll can redflag electronically before next car comes. But here with few secs between that would be impossible.
All in all I see the situation as poorly handled by both Solberg (they likely looked on the clock when starting the change?) and race control (could have notified crews?).
Race control tries to fix this by notional time.
There is zero sense in Neuville pushing in CER or Japan. He can definitely cruise to a Top 5 finish (i.e. behind Ogier/Evans/Fourmaux/Tanak) and get 10+ points from each. 20 points total from CER and Japan are enough to secure him the championship.
hmmm yeah i was way off on my calculations. woooppss. interesting! go Ott!
Push for the win, no. But also cruising and bleeding a lot of point is risky... if he gets his advance sliced in half and then he retires in Japan for technical trouble? Championship might be gone. In CER he has to try for the podium in my opinion, drive at a balanced pace... you know that Ogier, Evans and Tanak will be pushing because they have no choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
Update: Rally Chile stewards have rejected Oliver Solberg’s protest into the notional time that helped Yohan Rossel to WRC2 victoryQuote:
Originally Posted by erikli2
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/solbe...UU7EVO9nMzLIUw
Thierry just needs 2 points more than Tänak in CER. That should be pretty easy considering Tänaks form on tarmac with the Hyundai.
Btw, Kalle won only 2 stages during the rally.
Yeah, I think Thierry on tarmac is like Tänak on graver, you expect him to be better. Also he is first on the road. So I see no chance that the title shouldn't be Thierry's and congrats to him! Managed this "gravel season" really well.
remember 2020. Evans had 14 point lead with only monza left to go but still lost the title by crashing out.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
Neuville has a long list of seemingly unnecessary (not under pressure) tarmac crashes.
Japan last year, Ypres and Croatia the year before++
Which is why I wonder if he tries to go a little bit safer.
He has had quite many of these ,,pointless'' crashes, but this year it seems to going his way and 29p lead is huge. He has managed it thru the whole season..
In CER, Neuville will probably drive conservative again, while Tanak will push, so I wouldn't be so sure that it will be easy for Neuville to outscore Tanak. He can't just cruise if he wants to stay in front of Tanak.
If Neuville really cruises in CER and loses quite some points, Ogier will be back in it and it will be very risky for Japan. If Neuville has a DNF for whatever reason, who can stop Ogier from bagging 30 points?
You all forgot how many times Tanak crashed, had technical issues, have something that ruined his chances. So he has the same chance to fail like Neuville. I'm just surprised that Ogier have so much mistakes, bad luck moments and flat tires this year. Like he never get all those in a whole career as this year altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Ogier himself :)Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Ogier cant have quite the same concentration and determination he had when he was full-time and chasing all those Titles. Plus he had Michelins ! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Yes, that's the key. If Tanak will make mistakes by pushing on asphalt, Neuville can outscore him. But if Tanak manages to keep it on the road while pushing, it will be hard for Neuville to beat him, unless he pushes too.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Ogier can also be considered lucky for not damaging the car too much or not getting it stuck somewhere after the roll in Acropolis, he got away with 13 points. Likewise, Sunday weather in Chile was favourable to him, no way he would have got 12 points if it was dry. It's thanks to those that he can still get the title, if Neuville has a Sunday problem.
Dunno where you get this from. In last few tarmac outings Tanak has been clearly slower than Neuville. So imo Neuville does not really need to push.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Because I'm giving for granted that Tanak will push and Neuville will drive defensively. What I'm saying is, Neuville can't cruise either, if he wants to outscore Tanak. He needs to find a good balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
But he only needs to outscore Tanak if he wants the title secure before japan. Even if he loses a few points in CER, he can still cruise in japan. He will be 6th anyway worst case.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Yes, but on the other hand cruising in CER is risky in case in Japan Neuville retires for a technical trouble. Bleeding points in CER and then retiring in Japan could easily hand to title to Ogier as well (if Ogier makes no mistakes, hardly anyone will stop him from getting close to 60 points in these last 2 rounds).Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Rally Chile Bío Bío 2024 as we saw it... https://youtu.be/bv7hvwa9I88?si=bGegWYBbS2GbHdSa
https://app-cdn.sportity.com/137e645...cision%209.pdf
The FIA’s petition for the Stewards to re-examine the time allocated for Car No 21 on SS11 (Lota 2) is dismissed.