Currently they are only one who are working on 2027 car...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Currently they are only one who are working on 2027 car...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
people on fb begging for it to be a corolla or a celtica but the current corolla is such an ugly giant sedan and the celitca is just a big suv now. sure, 'resized' cars, but i dont believe toyota would risk racing a sedan out of nothing. the only sedan winning rallies is the subaru in america but only because no one with money is running a hatchback.
they have the yaris cross, which is a little more 'squared'. i think it would look pretty if resizes
comparission: https://media.drive.com.au/obj/tx_q:...drqyanvwptxyd8
edit: oh, they have the Aygo X, veeery "rallie looking" lol.
https://scene7.toyota.eu/is/image/to...m=1.75,0.3,2,0
and they still produce a corolla cross in europe so eh
Only Manufacturer, or the only ones at all ?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Surely M-Sport are doing something, even if just with the chassis. If not the WRC future is in big trouble.
The last Celica is from 2007. It is heavily rumoured to come back around 2027. And it will certainly not be a SUV.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
Toyota GR Corolla for the North American market:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...2024-06-30.jpg
Rally Concept they showed in January 2025...
https://dirtfish-editorial.s3-accele.../Corolla-1.jpg
true. but cant we presume msport and skoda motorsport will be there too? i'd imagine they have zero reasons to go away from this excellent business format of bulding and selling 'rally2' level machiinery. sure, now they would have to build the tube frame and body pannles - not the road car with some rollcages, but the business of selling the car would be basically the same, maybe even better cuz apparently these new cars will be raced all over european championships (at least from what I understood) i'd even bet stellantis will join with one of its brands too, because it looks like profitable business for the manufacturer's motorsport divisions. i'm still seeing this new car as this business opportunity for the potential "builders"Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Stellantis could join with multiple brands. Same spaceframe & mechanicals, just a few different body panels & maybe lights. Lancia in Italy, Peugeot or Citröen in France, Opel in Northern Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
This was the idea with the spaceframe for the Rally1 Cars, but it didnt attract any new Manufacturers.
Was it the really the costs that put them off or are most not seeing the advertising potential in rallying any more ?
And with most road cars going electric, who is going to want an ICE rally car to promote their car / brand ...
ahh the hybrids were the problem imo. too expensive even for msport
regarding advertising, i may be the only one here thinking this, but i honestly dont see where manufacturers and big sponsors can think there is RoI (exposure and promoting new tech) in such a small niche sport built on the back of regular competitors - who have beem removed from their dreams of competing in the world championship due this rise in costs.
sometimes i even think we dont need 'road relevance', we need 'rally fans mental loop' relevance. like when chicherit built that beautiful lancia in rallycross. or when some finnish autocross driver brings a beautiful starlet with a rotatoy engine to a race.
thats what seems to move us, not a resized suv
we are the ones watching it, consuming it, traveling to watch. we like that stuff. why this sudden need of 'pleasing rich manufacturers' at the cost of losing the competitors who built and build the sport, u'know?
lol weird math but it makes sense in my head
edit: yes, i understand 'world championships' are more business than sport. 'thats why'
This commercial was banned in the UK for encouraging unsafe driving. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y5ez8189lo)
Ever noticed how in every car commercial they're travelling at 5kph or not moving at all?
Driving at breakneck speed through trees, jumps, losing traction on corners... isn't what the car companies are allowed to sell. WRC can only appeal to so many small, rebellious, performance car brands - IF the FIA would only accommodate them; and Toyota, the global behemoth bigger than the bodies that makes the policies.
uuuuuuhhhhh... touché.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/w...rers/10738272/
"Autosport understands that there is also at least one manufacturer edging closer to a potential announcement which could result in a new player joining the WRC from 2027.
It is understood a meeting with a manufacturer, to discuss its potential future involvement, will take place at Rally di Roma this week."
Potential of 2 tuners and 1 manufacturer as of now
Hayden Paddon wants in with a team of his own...
https://speedcafe.com/motorsport-new...Wz1_BXCpZtV1QQ
18 months to go and even M-Sport, the biggest rally 'tuner' of them all, isnt starting work yet...
"M-Sport confirmed earlier this month that it's looking at the regulations to see what is possible, but the British squad requires more details on the future direction of the WRC before it is in a position to commit."
hmm.... and "apparently" theres "some talk about a Ypslon rally2 test with Bonato". ??
sure, rally2s will be allowed in 27' but heyy hope that motivates stellantis to build cars too...?
(and I dont see msport not participating, especially because now they got what they wanted: a place to build and sell cars. maybe they are waiting on the UK/Ireland championships to agree on allowing the new cars there?)
So what's the potential 2 tuners and 1 manufacturer，any name of that , is that possible for the STLAQuote:
Originally Posted by pedro16
toyotaQuote:
Originally Posted by 1988senna
m-sport
hiunday (via paddon)
:D :D :D
A meeting in Rome, so maybe it is Lancia ?Quote:
It is understood a meeting with a manufacturer, to discuss its potential future involvement, will take place at Rally di Roma this week."
"2 tuners", 1 potential manufacturer, toyotaQuote:
Originally Posted by 1988senna
then again, we should have zero reasons to believe msport and skoda motorsport would just quit, cuz they have good business models in this R5 level (maybe its something like waiting to see if national championships will be ok with the new cars vs R5s)
...then paddon?
thats like 7 potential entries already not counting the number of cars each builders may sell or each team may enter. I know its only speculation and guesses but heyyyy, felling optimistic!
do know if the tubeframes are "the same" from last years? hehe cuz hyundai, gazoo and msport have more than 30 (each) of those already built in house.
My only guess is Lancia. Of course still hoping that all three which are competing now will stay also, but I'm sceptical with Hyundai, more than with M-Sport (they always find the way to be here). For Toyota I don't have doubt, probably they will be more than ready and start showing results right away (haha with ''semi-retired'' Ogier).
I wonder how would they made things work for live coverage if there would be 20+ cars on the grid (Rally1 cars or whatever they will be called). They will surely can't continue just like that with this long stages, showing gentlemans, long intervals or more importantly where they will put Rally2 cars, because right now honestly many people don't have time to watch everything with 10 cars for 4 days straight for a whole day. So I really don't have a clue what needs to be done, rather to implement various cameras again or simultaneous coverage (so the user can eatch whatever they ant or whoever they want)
That's a fair point on the TV coverage.
People say that the current amount of Rally1 Cars isnt enough for the top level. But trying to watch & follow just these is a big job (for the tv producers and the fans) and especially on long stages.
If their were 20 or 30 entries in the top class, who would get the coverage ?
The top guys naturally. If we do get to 20/30 entries in the ‘top’ class, then clearly there won’t be 20/30 top drivers in them, so it’ll be those running at the front that get the coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
So what's the point if it'll just be the same elite drivers being shown ? What's the point for the newcomers and new teams or local specialists if they wont get any air time for their sponsors?Quote:
Originally Posted by doubled1978
Why should they if they're not performing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
No different to any other form of motorsport with big entries. Hell, even the back 4 or 5 teams of F1 get bugger all coverage....
Indeed, if someone hit the trouble, lost few minutes and fall back, don't know 17th or 34th on the grid, he would never be shown again. This would need to be made good for everyone systematicaly. I don't say they need to put cameras in all cars, especially if there will be some one off specialists, but maybe 2 cameras shown at once from different crews or put back option for changing views from anyone and at any point you want.
But I guess they will need first to sort things out with page/app problems (fix crashing issues - for god's sake, we are in 2025, what kind of old servers they posses, more user friendly interface and stop taking away things that work perfectly).
That's not true. In F1 and other race series often the leader(s) dont get shown once they've established their position and they show racing down the field. Plus there's prizemoney too which there isnt in WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Anyway, let's worry about this issue if we get a mass of entries in 2027...
that's exactly why the correlation rally2 = more competition/variety is not so valid. there will be the same team and drivers at the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
on the tv side, they ll probably change a bit the approach, they ll have less onboard, some more heli, and way more air time of the 2/3 fix cameras (at least for the tv stage, all live may not change that much, think as a erc-ish). it will end up watching external shots of many cars in the same 2/3 corners, a bit like youtube live for erc/regional rally, let's say. on the good side (hopefully), the need for a bit more storytelling, or resume/hl to keep followers informed. the formula "on wrc2 side we heard that x has stop on the previous stage" wouldn't be enough.
Can't assume that there'll still be a promoter and live product even.
why not? rumors are "luxurious"
See several hundred pages of chat on this forum about the direction of things and why they're backing cost cuts and pandering to tuners. 2008-2012 repeats.
Look at Rallycross. Who said the same promoter would walk away so soon when they took it on?
Not saying doom and gloom will happen, just possibility.
mine was just a pun about the rumors...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
oprtimistic expectation: but wait... if we had 30+ rally1s, But with all these guys being able to test more and race it more times to acquire experience, with locals being able to enter rally1s (but with experience from doing national championships on those cars), the "top5", "top10" would be always different. like in erc. the difference is literally that we have "9" rally1 cars and just 6 of those actually 'test' "a lot" (experience).
sure, the BEST RALLY DRIVERS on the planet would be faster in most of them, but thats the target. to have something that more people can race in more places to have more experience to fullfill their dreams of racing a world championship.
reality: toyota enters a 2 factory car team and beat the other 7 generic hatchbacks built by msport on the grid
LoL please Lord, noooo!
And...?Quote:
Originally Posted by pedro16
Give them a chance, Rally di Roma only finished yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
It is Lancia.
It had to be. They are rallying.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
If the WRC cant get them on board, what's the hope for any other Manufacturer...
If we look close on current teams:
Toyota have great managment, 2 multiple champions, strong car, big number of drivers, youngster programme
Hyundai have Cyril, money (but rather spend it on tent), unreliable car, 2 world champions, least amount of drivers
M-Sport doesn't have much funding, have youngster programme fully, open to anybody with money, big team spirit, kinda in the middle car
So where does Lancia (if they would be coming) stand against these? They definitely won't cheat. I just hope that they will not bring up some average Italian driver just because he is and real talent will be seating out.
We are not in 1987, you speak as if Lancia is an independent Italian brand, instead of a facelifted Peugeot. I don't think Stellantis would put a random Italian driver in their lineup just because 35 years ago Lancia was a relevant Italian brand.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
If Daprà grows and gain experience this year and in 2026, he might target a 3rd car, but nothing else I think for now, because Lancia would definitely need two top drivers to challenge Toyota or Hyundai (if stays...)Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206