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Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
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How you would like to do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Make Loubet drop 2 places to give Ott +4 points in championship that is not possible to win? I don't even think Ott would ask for that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
4 min early in TC.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
RolledQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Ahh, in general classification. Primary I thought about power stage points :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Change his engine 🤣Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Next year we don't have Rally Estonia, which is sad. Seems, that drivers enjoyed it, it's not survival rally for cars, it's not lottery rally for tires/punctures - just be a man and fly, and Kalle did.
So..
hats of for Rally Estonia organisers, you made "seems to be impossible" to be possible for 4 years. Thank you!
hats of for Kalle Rovanperä, in a way he made rally boring, but to witness this level of talent is also something. Keep going!
Hopefully rally Latvia will deliver and be as nice as this has been. Thanks Estonia for getting us out of Covid and being with us for the past 3 years, hope we see it back sooner rather than later.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
4 years..
2020 - Tanak
2021-2023 - Rovanpera
I'm sure our Latvian friends as an organization will deliver, I have no doubt about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
But the roads in Liepaja... I have huuuuge doubts
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About what? That the roads will get very rutted?Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
I've never followed the event but I understand the roads are very "straight to junction".Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
And lots of artificial chicanes
In the end Marczyk got the last point scoring PS position by under 0.05s (couldn't find the exact time). Pajari won by 0.085s. Difference from 1st to 4th was around 0.6s.
Marczyk was running something like 20 cars and 1,5 hour later. Which again highlights the issue with splitting the WRC2 field and "random" starting positions as decided by promoter.
Recently this splitting led to cancelling out the PS points completely in Sardinia (cause later runners couldn't start).
Here in Estonia they moved Greensmith down (wasn't nominated for driver points) and Solberg up. That turned out to be a slight disadvantage (certainly vs Marczyk), but it also could have been a big advantage if it started to rain. (The rain was only a few drops during Neuville's run). Last year Mikkelsen was put to start first because they didn't have enough remaining cars with onboard cameras and it was a massive advantage due to rain, even though it first looked like a disadvantage.
As written previously, good that FIA reduced max. WRC2 PS points from 5 to 3 since there is no simple solution with so many competitive WRC2 crews. Sounds almost like a luxury problem.
Jumps Festival :D
https://youtu.be/BFElRwXsJXc
WRC Rally Estonia 2023 | FLAT OUT & BIG JUMPS
https://youtu.be/xFLmjVcbYtc
Long straights, haybale chicanes, straight, 90 degree junctions, long straight...Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
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Stop talking complete nonsense. That's all what I have to say for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Hopefully you're right but this was what I heard from guys who have been there as competitors ans spectators and also ERC footage confirms this.Quote:
Originally Posted by sindroms
Need a big change from the current format.
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Post-race conference
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc...nference-live/
Becs: What do you need to do to try and catch him(Kalle)?
Lappi: We need to make him as a father..
:D :D
WRC Rally Estonia 2023 Mistakes, Jumps, Moments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu5-2X6g9WE
Tänak said this that thanks to the rally he did prior to Rally Estonia, he could go 100% from the start. He found a nice set up and was able to push. When others finally woke up and got used to the speed and fine tuned the set up, he had no chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
A Finnish newspaper has a story that FIA's Andrew Wheatley had asked both Toyota and Hyundai to take 5 minute penalties for their drivers to allow Tanak to figth for the win...
If that's true FIA is really channeling the spirit of Max Mosley
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Originally Posted by flat_right
TBH i think Ott is a little too hard on himself, though we know he is very critical about everything and searching for perfection in everything, but times are not that bad when you compare him sweeping vs Kalle sweeping on friday.
Friday's Kalle first loop times compared to tänak:
SS2+9.1
SS3+2.5
SS4+4.5
Vs Saturday first Loop Tänak vs Kalle
SS9 +7.3
SS10 +6.9
SS11 +3.5
SS12 +7.0
Kalle was a little bit faster, but im pretty sure Tänak was letting of the Gas a little by saturday morning, but Kalle had to catch Neuville and if you compare Tänak for example with Neuville who had a similar road position with Kalle, times from first on the road were not so bad.
4-5 seconds lost to sweeping i think are safe to deduct in Estonia
SS9 +5.7 to Neuville
SS10 +4.9 to Neuville
SS11 +0.7 to Neuville
SS12 -0.9 to Neuville
Also i used only first loops for comparison, since we know Puma has problems in ruts so we know Fords lose alot on second passes, and ruts wont be much of a problem in Finland unlike in estonia because of the hard roadbase.
So i dont think they are as out of the podium fight for Finland like Tänak says, sure Rovanperä will be tricky, or even impossible regarding he doesnt have a finland win and surely it is in his this year bucket list, but we know how it ended in 2021 for him, but Evans and Lappi are fightable.
But is any other country besides Finland writing about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by janneppi
Article behind a paywall unfortunately, is it actually as simple/naive as he asked for all drivers to have a 5 minute penalty to give Tanak a chance or is there any more said in the article? Surely someone in his position is smarter than that?? Is the journalist/newspaper generally considered a reputable source? If so its surprising the story hasn't gained more attention yet
I'd say the journalist and newspaper in question are reliable sources.
"Wheatley told Keskisuomalainen that he wanted to inquire whether Toyota and Hyundai could show the same empathy and solidarity as in Croatia in April."
Unbelievable stuff...
“It’s what I consider a rally where it’s actually wanted, where we seem to have more and more of these slots on the calendar going places where there’s very little interest.”
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-w...estonia-tanak/
For sure Kalle would like to win at Finland but also he don’t want to take any unnecessary risks to loose any major points there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
At Estonia he were at his comfort zone as we saw. I would love to see a proper fight between Kalle and Ott but I’m not expecting that.
And who knows what we’ll see from Lappi and Neauville. I think EP will be hungry and fast there and if Neauville keeps the same speed what he showed at Estonia there could be a proper fight between many.
My video from Rally Estonia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMrPomPP_-s
According to public info, the problem with Est and 2024 was budget and commitment from the government. WRC promoter said ...show me your money, then we talk or - nothing personal, just business. I am very sure that EST will be back 2025. In fact, i think that rotating most of rallies is kinda good idea; bi-annual budget might be easier to many organizers ( possibly I am wrong here). Also championship would be less predictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Here we go, Clarks Ratings are out
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/colin...ZBtCFujVueY9EE
Otherwise pretty decent, but i dont understand the 8/10 for Suninen??? First outing with the car, showed promising times and finished 5th overall.
Also 9/10 for Thierry should be 10/10 in my opinion, havent seen fast gravel pace like this from him for a long time. 8/10 for Tänak is also debatable, what more could he have done?
Other than Loubet I'm fine with these ratings. I think PLL should have gotten 7/10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
He was quite bad at first, braking sometimes 2-3 times to the corner but later in the rally he was as smooth as others so he improved a lot.
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In his interview to the rally radio Urmo Aava confirmed this funding issue as well but said that they have time until the end of August to solve this issue and they can be in the calendar in 2024.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndersX
Personally I don't think RE will be in the 2024 calendar since our economy has plummeted and the gvmnt is adding new taxes to cover up deficit in annual budget (approx 5 billion euros).
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
My favourite rally since my first visit back in candidate days before COVID. Saturday stages format (2xSS in the morning 2xdiff SS in the evening) is good for spectators.
Only thing that really p**** me off was the fact that safety was moving people, not because of safety reasons, but because of WRC tv crew wishes. To be clear, we were in the far background, not with our butts in front of camera. (WRC+ event highlights spectators 19:38-19:41).
Really, really, really hope Rally will make it in 2024 and 2025 and 2026 and so on....
Suninen did exactly as expected (exactly where I put him in pickems). Not worse, not better. Maybe could have expected 1-2 very good stage times when he had roadposition advantage. He seemed to have good time to prepare with test rally and testing even before Sardinia. So the rating is ok for me. (Compare with Breens first start in Hyundai in Finland 2019).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
Estonia was the weaker of his two confirmed starts so Finland will be the big decider for him. Numerous people including himself aluding he should be able to fight for podium. I am not so sure, but only beating off-form Katsuta and Loubet is not enough for more than temporary seat fill.
Else I think Loubet got too high score. By now he has had quite many WRC starts and the progress is lacking. That he didn't crash is not enough.
I think he meant that Suninen could have a better score than 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I get it, but disagree. He did well but not great, so 8 is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scaha