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The problem with WRC+ is that we do not see the product which is the car. We see some trees and roads through the onboard camera.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
And this is boring even for a passionate fan like me.
WE MUST SEE THE CAR, promoter must find a way how to do it.
Yes, more outside cameras is needed, is also good to see the wrc2 coverage this weekend, sad its just due to few Rally1 cars, it should be like this all rallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
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I seem to remember that a few years ago minimum weight was with one spare wheel, did this change with Rally1 or even before?
BMW pulled the plug on the prodrive mini wrc program down to money.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
Subaru pulled the plug on the WRC when there was a recession and down to money. Mitsubishi never really developed their car to WRC spec and was just a glorified grp A car so that was down to competitiveness but what did they expect.
PSA ran Peugeot and Citroen so pointless competing against themselves, so one team made way for the other. As is the case with Seat and Skoda, different brands under same owners so pointless running two teams, Seat giving way to Skoda for a while but then stopped in top category to concentrate on lower category and domination (while another brand under the same ownership developed a WRC car that went on to dominate)
Indeed it is also my impression that the "they were not winning so they pulled out" was the WRC being in denial and blaming the manufacturers for leaving instead of looking at themselves and where they went wrong. Subaru and Suzuki somewhat concided with the global financial crysis and both companies were in deep trouble at the time so spending even a few milion on something 'frivolous' like the WRC must have been frowned upon in the board room.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Besides that I think a critical point was when the WRC Promoter, then headed by David Richards, insisted to hold 16 rallies instead of 14. The motivation was purely financial to get more TV revenue if i remember correctly. Then I remember all the teams moaning about costs and to counter balance that the rules changed from 3 nominated cars to 2. A side effect to this was losing McRae from full time driving. Of course things are more complex but for me that's the first time the WRC shot itself in the foot quite badly. This is all from memory so I am happy to be corrected if someone knows better, but this blaming of manufacturers "pulling out because they can't win" seems like a cheap excuse from people who didn't do a good enough job organising the championship.
Only 25 points separating Rovanperä & Evans if Elfyn is able to win also the Power Stage.
The Championship is open again. Elfyn found finally the right settings to his car and there is now a lot of pressure for Kalle.
Yes, good for the championship that kalle has a DNF.
But is Evans able/alloved to fight kalle for the championship the last rallies?
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The downhill section is very nice to watch, especially that tricky downhill jump turning left
Still huge gap with only four rounds remaining. Especially considering that Evans is unlikely to beat Rovanperä in a straight fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
The camera work there is quite good for once as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Indeed the Power Stage is quite good. Also it's different from the usual stages so gives a chance to have a different order.
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
I now record the live stages and fast-forward through most of the onboard pictures and watch the stage-side camera shots, heli views and stage-end interviews.
What if instead of doing all stages so-so they would do some stages onboard only, no commentary and put all the cameras and reporters on one or two stages every day? I feel the same, onboards get boring after a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Congratulations to Pajari on the WRC2 win. Great job by Formaux.. no spectacular times but super consistent means he doesn't finish far off.
Looks like Gryazin and Mikkelsen went the wrong way on setup yesterday because they were pretty quick today.
Happy for Latvala! Clean rally and they gave some excitement to a little dull rally..
1 PS point also in the pocket.
Should have jumped on the roof :D
Agree, Latvalas enjoyment was contagious!Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Well done Suninen. A very good job again given his lack of Rally1 car experience compared to the others.
Why wouldn't he? Whether its evans or rovanpera, it's a toyota that will win. And they will take the manufacturers title anyway too.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Yes Elfyn !! A brilliant win and maximum points !!
Great drive from Elfyn, 2 time winner of Rally Finland! Great job on the Power Stage as well! And utter domination of his old foil Neuville as well. Kalle is still the favourite for the title but Elfyn will keep him honest.
He was supposed to be going for the win according to some people and at least for podium according to himself. Had Estonia and a test rally in Rally1, won here in Rally2 last two years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Ended as last professional WRC. On the rally that according to himself is his best in the calendar and surviving two big moments on pure luck.
That can be called all sorts of things, very good job is not one of them.
My congratulations to Solberg. Not so much for the "win" or stagetimes. But more to the approach. Specially on Friday. When he was a little bit slower than Pajari and Huttunen he didn't go crazy speed and crash on next stage. Just keeping decent pace and being in the mix.
Yes, they had a new setup for this rally that didn't worked, they go back to older setup on saturday morning, with adjustments to todays stages. I don't know why they/toksport did this mistake?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
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Greensmith complained about the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
But this happens, specially with relatively new car. Solberg had setup issues whole Croatia for example.
Solberg and Pajari were also Toksport drivers. It´s not team´s mistake if Mikkelsen, Greensmith and Gryazin took wrong settings. Andreas is always blaming something if he is not able to win.
Mikkelsen said live at the end of the stage it was his own mistake to pick the setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
Huge congrats to Evans & Scott, well deserved, yes Rovanperä was faster but as the saying goes, to finish first, first you must finish. Overall a nice rally, shame we didn't get a fight like 2022, also I have to admit, I missed not having Breen do the rally, he might've crashed or challenged Evans for the win and in any case it would've been nice seeing him in his favourite rally (especially after his performance in Sweden).
Salty. Let's see what Hyundai bosses say.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Cyril didn't seem to impressed at the end, 7 wins to 1 in the manu. title doesn't bode well for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
What a strange rally after Estonia, almost the polar opposite. Kudos to Evans, he was clearly growing in confidence as the rally went on. Neuville tried, but still did well to finish 2nd after so many problems in Finland. Well done also to Taka, good performance and solid drive.
I loved Latvala and Hänninen the most, I think they both had a blast. Juho is so underrated, not only a great driver, but also a great co-driver and coach! :D Such versatility is very rare IMO.
According to rumors he got some drives already before the rally. Great job from Jouhki in that case. Let's see if the deals are as flexible as in Adamos times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Amazing to first see the rally2 cars suspension in the downhill places in the latter part of the powerstage, and then see the difference to the rally1 cars.
An ocean of difference! The R1 cars swallow all that it is thrown on it, the R2 cars get much more of the bumpy road transferred into the body.
I think Suninen's 5th & 4th places in his first two events in a Rally1 car aren't bad at all. They are very different and take a lot to get used to. He was never going to challenge for a win or even a podium vs the guys who have been in the cars for 18 months. Pushing Katsuta was good considering Taka is also very experienced in Finland and loves the rally.
BTW, how did golden boy Mikkelsen get on ? 5th in Rally2 Class, getting his set-up wrong in a car he helped develop...
I actually enjoyed this rally surprisingly given the attrition rate, the deep and competitive Rally2 field helps a lot I suppose, but that it is no way to hide the painfully thin Rally1 field.
I enjoyed listening to the extra co-drivers in the commentary box, Kennard, Ingrassia, Millener, good to hear different peoples perspectives. It was particularly interesting listening to Millener try not to say too much when they discussed the regs moving forward. I just hope someone sees sense and whatever they do it’s an affordable formula that entices manufacturers and allows genuine privateers to be competitive with good cars.
As a thought experiment, what would be your reaction if Mikkelsen finished 4th and 5th respectively?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Suninen expectations:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/david-eva...teemu-suninen/
Reality... slowest WRC bar a hobby driver 4 years out.
4th as a result doesn't sound bad. Until you look on who was running.
Suninen was hired to do a better job than Sordo. In Estonia he did that. In Finland it is rather debatable.
It is really funny how some people troll me with Mikkelsen no matter what the topic is.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
But w/e:
I wrote in Estonia that Suninen did good job ending "just as expected" (and commented that the 8/10 he got from Clark was spot on). If Mikkelsen did that there I would comment the same.
Finland was different. As in Suninens own words it is supposed to be his best rally. His pace went downwards from Estonia. For Mikkelsen Finland is historically his worst rally (no podium) that he last drove in 2019. So ending like Suninen did would be about as expected.
I know he’s been even longer away from the top category, but I’m curious how Paddon would’ve managed both rallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBnlOP2doT8
Post-Event Press Conference
You have to consider the fact he got to the end without any serious problems, while Lappi and Rovanperä crashed.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
His speed wasn't as good as many of us hoped, but still he did a clean rally and was able to compete with Katsuta, who has a lot more experience with Rally1 and probably a better car.
If he would have had similar pave as Loubet, then it would have been a dead end.
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