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5th March 2016, 16:30
Fast Eddie WRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL14

Is Camilli stopped?

Again.

Hence Ostberg has to get points whatever it takes.
5th March 2016, 16:31
EstWRC

Crash in a fast corner for Camilli, so 3 out of 3. Mads just 9 secs faster than Tänak on dcrap.
5th March 2016, 16:32
Eric

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Again.

Hence Ostberg has to get points whatever it takes.

Cant believe Evans was replaced by Camilli.. Wonder what is going trough Mr.M-sports head now
5th March 2016, 16:33
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

Crash in a fast corner for Camilli, so 3 out of 3. Mads just 9 secs faster than Tänak on dcrap.

we need Kubica back, he will have some serious competition.
5th March 2016, 16:33
RS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Again.

Hence Ostberg has to get points whatever it takes.

What for? They are not going to win the manufacturers championship.
5th March 2016, 16:35
EstWRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric

Cant believe Evans was replaced by Camilli.. Wonder what is going trough Mr.M-sports head now

he said yesterday to the radio that he doesnt regret anything.
5th March 2016, 16:36
Fast Eddie WRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS

What for? They are not going to win the manufacturers championship.

Points = some credibility at the end of the Season.

And Ostberg cant challenge for rally wins.
5th March 2016, 16:40
Eric

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

he said yesterday to the radio that he doesnt regret anything.

Well, he says what he have to say. Im pretty sure he is starting to wonder if it was the right thing to do..
5th March 2016, 16:40
AL14

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

Because I like his attitude, he is fast but knows the limits of the competition and the car, he shows progress and maturity. He started this rally slow then when his confidence grew he attacked and his times are very respectable and fast. If he manages to beat Sordo it is going to be a great show of maturity. He uses the pac-man method of dominace against his rivals eating away chunks of time steadily little by little.

That's exactly like this. Another driver after the second place in Sardinia would have crashed his car several times looking for victories soon after it but he showed and keep showing maturity and cleverness in his approach. If you look at his results he is improving a little bit rally by rally collecting points and experience.
5th March 2016, 16:40
satukata

Suninen in their own series. Great talent
5th March 2016, 16:41
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Again.

Hence Ostberg has to get points whatever it takes.

again
its not ''he has to'' get points.
Its the onlyy he can do.
He hasnt got more speed and he chooses not to drive at full speed but at 95% because he has to finish.
5th March 2016, 16:41
RS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

And Ostberg cant challenge for rally wins.

I'm glad you admit that, but I don't think Mads' slowness/reliability is any tactic.. It's just Mads.
5th March 2016, 16:46
dimviii

M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd

@EricCamilli and @BenVeillas are both okay and trying to make a repair within the stage #WRC #RallyMexico
5th March 2016, 16:48
Eric

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS

I'm glad you admit that, but I don't think Mads' slowness/reliability is any tactic.. It's just Mads.

I agree. Just look at rally Sweden. Mikkelsen was off the road 3 times and lost a lot of time, but still the fight with Mads was pretty close. And that was when Mads was going as "fast as he could".. He is a good second driver and gets a lot of manufactories points, but thats it. He will never fight for the win..
5th March 2016, 16:55
Rallyper

Mads is doing what he should atm.
5th March 2016, 16:59
Fast Eddie WRC

I criticised Ostberg at Citroen for not doing better, but at M-Sport 2016 he cant do anything else but go steady and take points.
5th March 2016, 17:02
satukata

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

I criticised Ostberg at Citroen for not doing better, but at M-Sport 2016 he cant do anything else but go steady and take points.

I think Mads is doing ok with slow Ford
5th March 2016, 17:03
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

I criticised Ostberg at Citroen for not doing better, but at M-Sport 2016 he cant do anything else but go steady and take points.

just remembered how many times he was complaining with ds3 setup,didnt allowed him to drive fast.Same time when Meeke was seting top times.
5th March 2016, 17:04
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by satukata

I think Mads is doing ok with slow Ford

same as with fast ds3.
5th March 2016, 17:04
Bartek

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

Crash in a fast corner for Camilli, so 3 out of 3. Mads just 9 secs faster than Tänak on dcrap.

RK must be afraid because his record is in danger :)
5th March 2016, 17:06
samWRC

It seems SS12 is delayed?
5th March 2016, 17:09
Mirek

The problem with Mads is that he isn't No.1 driver. He is good No.2 to secure solid points but he isn't able to deliver more - what No.1 driver should.

Anyway I wonder how long Malcolm keeps backing Camilli. So far his season is one big disaster and there aren't even signs of progress.

In some way it reminds me 2005 M-Sport transition season with Gardemeister and Kresta - first one solid point-taker and second one unreliable rookie (Kresta improved a lot through the season though). In 2005 they concentrated on Focus 06 development, now 2017 spec. car. In any case they are in bad position for next year to find proper drivers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by satukata

I think Mads is doing ok with slow Ford

How do You know that Ford is slow? Please explain how did You come to that conclusion.
5th March 2016, 17:09
dimviii

Sat 10:18 - SS12: Delayed
Ogier was due to start at 1011hrs. We'll bring you news when we get it
5th March 2016, 17:11
dimviii

while we waiting,just a refresh for the stage.

Sat 10:12 - Stage info: SS12
Otates 1, 42.62km. Saturday's longest test has claimed several victims in the past. Andreas Mikkelsen rolled heavily in 2014, Jari-Matti Latvala crashed several years previously and in 2013 Sébastien Ogier stopped to allow co-driver Julien Ingrassia to open a closed gate. After a narrow, uphill start, it is mostly fast and flowing on wide roads, although there is a 5km twisty section two-thirds of the way through.
5th March 2016, 17:17
jonkka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

How do You know that Ford is slow? Please explain how did You come to that conclusion.

Maybe because Mads was faster last year in Citroen?
5th March 2016, 17:17
Mariusz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

How do You know that Ford is slow? Please explain how did You come to that conclusion.

The car construction is quite old and they haven't done many upgrades in all these years. It is slow because other cars got faster.
5th March 2016, 17:22
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonkka

Maybe because Mads was faster last year in Citroen?

Was he? Besides that it's hardly a proof for anything. Drivers may be fast with one car and slow with another. It doesn't mean the car is slow as well. Is Hyundai slower than Ford when Neuville was faster with Ford than with Hyundai?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mariusz

The car construction is quite old and they haven't done many upgrades in all these years. It is slow because other cars got faster.

You probably didn't notice that last year M-Sport homologated new car with completely new engine and different suspension.
5th March 2016, 17:23
satukata

now ogier started and we are live
5th March 2016, 17:24
EstWRC

i dont know how much slower the ford is or if it is slower but Thierry said last year while commenting the power stage that Ford has the weakest engine.
5th March 2016, 17:26
Mirek

I would always take what drivers say with a grain of salt. I doubt he knows exact power curve of recent Ford.

By the way would You believe that DS3 R5 has higher peak power than Fabia R5? It has ;)
5th March 2016, 17:29
jonkka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

Was he? Besides that it's hardly a proof for anything. Drivers may be fast with one car and slow with another. It doesn't mean the car is slow as well.

Good point but it's the combination we judge. Car without driver is as useless as driver without car.
5th March 2016, 17:39
Eric

Paddon with a rear-left damage..
5th March 2016, 17:39
N.O.T

mistake by paddon +15 on 1st split.
5th March 2016, 17:43
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

mistake by paddon +15 on 1st split.

you jinxed him
5th March 2016, 17:43
N.O.T

Game over for Paddon, at least for something good... meh.
5th March 2016, 17:44
Viking

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

mistake by paddon +15 on 1st split.

"how to become a rally driver" another lecture by Hayden Paddon, well done !!

i hope i do not jinx him."

Hmm...
5th March 2016, 17:45
AL14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

I would always take what drivers say with a grain of salt. I doubt he knows exact power curve of recent Ford.

By the way would You believe that DS3 R5 has higher peak power than Fabia R5? It has ;)

Mirek, I agree we can't say safely that Fiesta is slow because of what you say but for sure we can at least assume it looking at a number of factor: Ostberg undoubtedly less competitive than when he was at Citroen, or also Hirvonen struggling, even in flatout sections, the big gaps by all the drivers driving it etc. I know the car is not the only variable for such issues. But well, at least you start to suspect something is wrong with it.
5th March 2016, 17:46
dimviii

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...7f&oe=5768A934
5th March 2016, 17:47
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonkka

Good point but it's the combination we judge. Car without driver is as useless as driver without car.

I thought the discussion was about Mads as a person but ok. Anyway I believe the differences between cars on WRC level are a lot smaller than differences between drivers and that it's mostly the fans who try to find excuses whenever their hero isn't that good as they wish, so they blame car, team or whatever.

I don't want to say that Fiesta is as fast as Polo but I can't safely say that it's slower than i20 or DS3. Maybe it is maybe it isn't. Still the driving matters more in my opinion.
5th March 2016, 17:54
N.O.T

Paddon over a min slower...

Now i am sad.

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