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26th November 2015, 00:31
wia5958

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Originally Posted by macebig

Come on,people.Ostberg is the best driver available and with quite some margin.He is a rally winner,the best finisher in 2015 championship(excluding of course the VW trio),a solid point scorer and has a lot of experience to help with car development-especially if Ford returns with the new Fiesta in 2017 thats very important-.Evans has some backing from Ford UK so it makes sense for him to stay.Tanak showed some pace but in the end what will be remember from him about his 2015 campaign is his dive in Mexico.What I want to see is Bernkvist get a chance in a R5.If Wilson does it,thats a plus.

Rally winner? 1 win from 90 wrc starts. 14 podiums out of them 90 starts
26th November 2015, 02:13
litifeta

I think VW have redefined what a 'professional team' really is. The others are merely 'full time' now. Citroen had a good run with a car designed for one person. VW have proven that while theirs is heavily influenced by Ogier, other drivers can win driving it. The onboards show the VWs are driven nowhere near the level of risk the other team drivers are taking. Simply a better car prepared by professionals. The others unfortunately have been shown to come up short.
26th November 2015, 09:15
Simmi

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Originally Posted by AL14

I usually agree with you but getting rid of Tanak to take Kubica is not a good idea unless you want some of Kubica's sponsors.
I would let Tidemand have a few rounds like you said btw.

The reason I'd take Kubica is because I believe his upside, his potential, his ceiling - whatever you want to call it - is higher. I think he'd massively benefit from moving back into a professional set-up at this stage in his career. He's still going to have a few shunts, no doubt - but I think if you can remove that layer of niggling problems (bad reliability, bad preparation, punctures) then we know he has the pace. So often his rallies are over before they've even started and that bred negativity. With some man management from Malcolm and some structure and goal-setting on rallies (a bit of method instead of madness) I think he could certainly put up the same points Tanak did this year.

Plus he's a bigger name PR-wise, he has some sponsors. Maybe he doesn't need to be a manufacturer points scorer every round. And if he scores 11 points again at the end of next year we can close the book on Kubica.
26th November 2015, 09:37
RS

Ostberg / Kubica could be interesting, a tortoise and hare lineup if you like.

I wouldn't waste time thinking about Tidemand or Lappi, I suspect they're both under long term VAG contract and they'd be mad to want to leave that anyway.
26th November 2015, 09:45
GigiGalliNo1

FYI a meeting fell through/broke down with a "Leading" WRC driver and M-Sport....
26th November 2015, 10:12
EstWRC

Meeke?
26th November 2015, 10:45
GigiGalliNo1

I'll find out soon
26th November 2015, 11:26
er88

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Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1

I'll find out soon

Please let us know when Ogier goes back to Citreon and is joined there by Evans, and when Meeke rocks up at VW. Ta

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26th November 2015, 12:00
AL14

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Originally Posted by Simmi

The reason I'd take Kubica is because I believe his upside, his potential, his ceiling - whatever you want to call it - is higher. I think he'd massively benefit from moving back into a professional set-up at this stage in his career. He's still going to have a few shunts, no doubt - but I think if you can remove that layer of niggling problems (bad reliability, bad preparation, punctures) then we know he has the pace. So often his rallies are over before they've even started and that bred negativity. With some man management from Malcolm and some structure and goal-setting on rallies (a bit of method instead of madness) I think he could certainly put up the same points Tanak did this year.

Plus he's a bigger name PR-wise, he has some sponsors. Maybe he doesn't need to be a manufacturer points scorer every round. And if he scores 11 points again at the end of next year we can close the book on Kubica.

Agree on most of what you said beside this sentence: "With some man management from Malcolm and some structure and goal-setting on rallies (a bit of method instead of madness)".
The bigger error by Kubica in these two years has been not to listen to others and keep his own "madness" approach. He has never changed his idea and still believe he is in the right path. I don't think that a structure or Wilson could make him change his mind. We've had a proof in 2014.
If this wasn't true be sure that Wilson, which is seeking sponsored drivers like a man lost in the desert seek water, would have already contacted him.
26th November 2015, 12:12
EstWRC

I agree with AL14 about Kubica, this is why basically Wilson dropped Tänak again too because according to him Tänak still doesnt get his head together although he admits that he has changed a lot from 2012. He gave 2 interviews this week to estonian radio and newspapers and he said that Ott has huge natural talent and speedwise is TOP3 guy but he still doesnt have the consistency.

Anyway, i hope Tänak totally destroys Evans and Ostberg next season but it will be very hard with the Dmack tyres, i think it will be very good if he will be finishing in TOP6 and setting TOP6 stage times. And i hope he will get a deal with Citroen for 2017.
26th November 2015, 12:55
Fast Eddie WRC

This is silly (season) Ott Tanak vs ... :D

https://youtu.be/rJZjjaContk
26th November 2015, 14:12
GigiGalliNo1

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Originally Posted by er88

Please let us know when Ogier goes back to Citreon and is joined there by Evans, and when Meeke rocks up at VW. Ta

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Sure....
26th November 2015, 14:32
RICARDO75

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Bertelli with M-Sport
26th November 2015, 14:35
GigiGalliNo1

This is mega SILLY:

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-new...ampaign=buffer
26th November 2015, 14:35
EstWRC

lol, that team will be ridiculos...m-sport i mean
26th November 2015, 15:35
Simmi

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Originally Posted by RS

I wouldn't waste time thinking about Tidemand or Lappi, I suspect they're both under long term VAG contract and they'd be mad to want to leave that anyway.

Yeah like you I figure Tidemand must have a VAG deal. But if I were him I'd be trying to get a few long-term assurances. Right now he is driving for a manufacturer which is great. If he is looking firmly at WRC in a WRC car I'd be slightly worried about Pontus getting caught in a VW/EVEN talent log jam.

In 2017 if we get the expected - Latvala out, Mikkelsen moves up, Lappi in. Where does Tidemand go then - bearing in mind he'll have had another likely season of WRC2 under his belt. I doubt there will be four VWs in 2017.
26th November 2015, 16:36
rallyace

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

This is silly (season) Ott Tanak vs ... :D

https://youtu.be/rJZjjaContk

The only reason the 1/8 car lost was because it was clearly on Pirelli tires... :D
26th November 2015, 17:07
RS

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Yeah like you I figure Tidemand must have a VAG deal. But if I were him I'd be trying to get a few long-term assurances. Right now he is driving for a manufacturer which is great. If he is looking firmly at WRC in a WRC car I'd be slightly worried about Pontus getting caught in a VW/EVEN talent log jam.

In 2017 if we get the expected - Latvala out, Mikkelsen moves up, Lappi in. Where does Tidemand go then - bearing in mind he'll have had another likely season of WRC2 under his belt. I doubt there will be four VWs in 2017.

Maybe VW could run 4 cars in 2017, or maybe 2016 could be a shoot-out between Tidemand and Lappi?
26th November 2015, 17:08
Fast Eddie WRC

Lorenzo Bertelli ‏@fuckmatie37
Fuckmatiè World Rally Team has closed, but I will still be there with @MSportLtd, pushing hard for another season in WRC.

Hmmm, 3-car M-Sport team, or two teams, M-Sport 1 & M-Sport 2 ?
26th November 2015, 17:11
dodge33cymru

Hope the latter, suspect the former.
26th November 2015, 17:36
EstWRC

Two teams, second one with dmacks
26th November 2015, 19:21
Mariusz

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Originally Posted by AL14

Agree on most of what you said beside this sentence: "With some man management from Malcolm and some structure and goal-setting on rallies (a bit of method instead of madness)".
The bigger error by Kubica in these two years has been not to listen to others and keep his own "madness" approach. He has never changed his idea and still believe he is in the right path. I don't think that a structure or Wilson could make him change his mind. We've had a proof in 2014.
If this wasn't true be sure that Wilson, which is seeking sponsored drivers like a man lost in the desert seek water, would have already contacted him.

This is just your imagination. What others should have he listened to? To forum experts like you? ;)
26th November 2015, 19:27
Simmi

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

Two teams, second one with dmacks

Seems like that Dmack outfit (Tanak/Ketomaa) is separate to M-Sport no?
26th November 2015, 19:34
AL14

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Originally Posted by Mariusz

This is just your imagination. What others should have he listened to? To forum experts like you? ;)

That would have been a nice start.
Those people could have been all the ones he got rid during his career, changing teams and collaborators, ending up to be surrounded by people who don't question him like you. ;)
26th November 2015, 20:11
Mariusz

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Originally Posted by AL14

That would have been a nice start.
Those people could have been all the ones he got rid during his career, changing teams and collaborators, ending up to be surrounded by people who don't question him like you. ;)

Names of those people please or it never happened.
26th November 2015, 20:55
AL14

I wrote it bad. I meant all the people who surrounded him when he was at Citroen, Ford and maybe even a-style were suggesting him to learn how to drive a wrc car and that maybe crash it all the time was not a good way to do it. I'm not giving any scoop, it's just my idea of the situation.
26th November 2015, 22:12
Mariusz

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Originally Posted by AL14

I wrote it bad. I meant all the people who surrounded him when he was at Citroen, Ford and maybe even a-style were suggesting him to learn how to drive a wrc car and that maybe crash it all the time was not a good way to do it. I'm not giving any scoop, it's just my idea of the situation.

What? All the people? How do you know that? ;) Maybe it was just the opposite and there were people who were suggesting him that to learn to drive FAST a wrc car you've got to hit your limits? And when would it be a better time to do it if not at the time when you're in your own team and you don't have to think about manufacturers points?
But I respect your opinion that you want him to become just another average driver.
26th November 2015, 22:38
AL14

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Originally Posted by Mariusz

What? All the people? How do you know that? ;) Maybe it was just the opposite and there were people who were suggesting him that to learn to drive FAST a wrc car you've got to hit your limits? And when would it be a better time to do it if not at the time when you're in your own team and you don't have to think about manufacturers points?
But I respect your opinion that you want him to become just another average driver.

Average? Don't you see he is not even close to average at the moment? How do you think he could be at the top? Continuing like this? Good luck with it!
26th November 2015, 22:48
maciotacio

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Originally Posted by AL14

Agree on most of what you said beside this sentence: "With some man management from Malcolm and some structure and goal-setting on rallies (a bit of method instead of madness)".
The bigger error by Kubica in these two years has been not to listen to others and keep his own "madness" approach. He has never changed his idea and still believe he is in the right path.

I don't agree with this sentence at all. In 2013 (WRC 2) he clearly showed that when he was asked (by Matton) to deliver the result he did it. The recent 2 years has been completely different in terms of pressure and his objectives and Mariusz explained it quite well.
26th November 2015, 23:30
Mirek

I don't want to argue about Robert but please don't paint his 2013 season in too shiny colors. His ERC mission was quite a disaster with just one 6th place out of four starts.
27th November 2015, 00:57
maciotacio

But i'm talking about WRC rounds - he complete each rally, only in Portugal (first gravel rally in life!) was out of podium position, not ERC campaign. Robert admited in some interview that he took ERC starts in training/learning attitude - completely different than WRC rounds

That all from me, because it's not Robert Kubica thread
27th November 2015, 01:04
GigiGalliNo1

You all got the story that FIAT will be entering the WRC?
27th November 2015, 02:13
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1

You all got the story that FIAT will be entering the WRC?

yes this story is a classic for the last 10-20 years or so...
27th November 2015, 03:30
GigiGalliNo1

. .
27th November 2015, 10:06
makinen_fan

Tanak and DMack is official now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUzpZ1VWsAAFUm5.jpg:large

Ott Tänak ‏@OttTanak 1m1 minute ago
Really happy to say I will be driving in WRC for @DMACK_Tyres in 2016. I’m very motivated to help DMACK and show my speed. #bringiton

DMACK Tyres ‏@DMACK_Tyres 6m6 minutes ago
We’ve launched the DMACK World Rally Team!! 2016 WRC with @OttTanak in a @MSportLtd Ford Fiesta RS WRC! #goOTT
27th November 2015, 10:13
AL14

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Originally Posted by makinen_fan

Tanak and DMack is official now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUzpZ1VWsAAFUm5.jpg:large

Ott Tänak ‏@OttTanak 1m1 minute ago
Really happy to say I will be driving in WRC for @DMACK_Tyres in 2016. I’m very motivated to help DMACK and show my speed. #bringiton

DMACK Tyres ‏@DMACK_Tyres 6m6 minutes ago
We’ve launched the DMACK World Rally Team!! 2016 WRC with @OttTanak in a @MSportLtd Ford Fiesta RS WRC! #goOTT

I hope he will be ahead of M-Sports drivers all the time. With DMACK will be harder but they've employed new and experienced people. Hope Ott will improve together with them and make that step forward he needs badly.
27th November 2015, 10:28
EstWRC

Awesome, knew it already from my insider but i didnt know that they were doing all the rallies! Now when theres not so much pressuse from Wilson, i think he will be performing better. Raigo has a year-long experience now and it all should come together!
27th November 2015, 10:43
Simmi

14 rounds is a good surprise. For me I don't think Tanak should be in a 'factory' seat right now but I still think he has something to offer in the WRC. This is a perfect opportunity.

Obviously this news today is different to the Autosport news of a 2-car team which was not expected to do all the rallies. So let's see if we get any drives for Ketomaa next year, given his WRC2 ride has been taken by the combination of Aasen/Parn.
27th November 2015, 11:18
RS

If DMack run a second car, I would rather they gave Hanninen a go than Ketomaa.
27th November 2015, 11:20
EstWRC

i think they won't run second car, it was just autosport's speculation.

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