He might not do drugs but he's clearly into cat porn.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
http://www.flickr.com/photos/51932399@N ... 5995045732
I'd say he has a very fetching pussy , no ?
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He might not do drugs but he's clearly into cat porn.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
http://www.flickr.com/photos/51932399@N ... 5995045732
I'd say he has a very fetching pussy , no ?
Hopefully you'll recover soon ...Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Honestly I don't know much about Paddon's WRC performance from his 1st outing in Spain last year. Finished 8th, ok, but performance wasn't blistering, he just drive enough to finish safely the Rally. So winner or N.O.T is just speculation at this stage. When I said I expect some excellent results from him this year, this means top 5 occasionally, he has very good speeds at gravel and asphalt, but all depends how quickly he will adapt to Hyundai WRC. There are plenty of more experienced drivers in WRC this year already fighting for podiums (at the moment looks like 1st place is reserved for VW).
Guys, no more personal comments !
Dude the guy has a picture of a grey cat with its legs spread on his flickr... When he has something less than provocative to say to just about anybody who posts , maybe I'll stop taking the pissQuote:
Originally Posted by pino
I cant see how people can rate him a winner...at the end of the day he struggled in Ypres last year to get near the pace of the winners/leaders so I would say he is a world beater.
Whatever you say Boss :rolleyes: just don't let me catch you posting another personal comment/insult...Quote:
Originally Posted by ThomasS
I think what you are failing to understand is that it depends what level you contest...Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
Don't get me wrong, I think Paddon has potential and I'm happy to see him with a supported works drive, especially as he has found it hard to find the budget over the years to put together a proper programme. But I think some guys on here need to keep their expectations in check.
Hanninen for example has far greater credentials than Paddon, having won the only serious support championship to WRC of recent years, plus 'old' ERC and sWRC too. Of course Juho was lucky enough to have had works backing to do that.
Seriously I think that You have a comprehension problem. The bold sentence is exactly what I repeated over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
How many times Paddon won anything so significant that it makes him Loeb or Ogier level like You wrote?
Wasn't it Paddons first attempt in the ERC, let alone on a TARMAC rally... Oh and it was raining cats and dogs... Remember?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad cat jnr
Paddon had done tarmac events before that. In 2010, 2011 and 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Germany (PWRC 2nd) once and France (PWRC 7th & DNF) and Spain (PWRC 8th & SWRC 5th) twice.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
this sounds to be a reasonable expectation of him. i have a little concern over hyundia's current reliability issues in the last rallies and hope they are resolved so Paddon can focus on driving/learning. i'm glad to see some of the worthy new entrants to WRC category--- gives it a bit of life
i hope he makes the most of his opportunity and has the tools to do so
as for his achievements later on, let's wait and see how that turns out
I have concern about the car's reliability as well. Somehow Hynday's policy is not very clear to me at the moment. Looks like they are very ambitious hiring serious people for this project. I know it is only a transition year with not very high goals, let's hope it is not just some PR work. May be I just have high expectations for them after VW debut last year :confused: (I know, I know, VW already had 1 year with S2000 behind them)...Quote:
Originally Posted by gorganl2000
I agree that some "new faces" is refreshing for the championship, not to mention the geographic diversity.
Of course Huyndai are trying to get the most out of its start in WRC, no matter how well they have succeeded. Once being in the circus they must get as much PR as they could. One thing is to communicate rallying with as many markets they can.
Results and achievements in rallies is one thing. Twisting out as much as possible in marketing is another. Both though hand in hand at the moment.
Marketing purpose is always big value, though many people might object Rallying is not the right place for it's small popularity. VW so far I think are playing their cards well in that respect too, sponsoring some Rallies - Argentina, Mexico, Sweden, these I remember, probably more. But then South America and Mexico are huge markets for them, so it makes sense Hyunday to orient their popularity interest to Australia/Asia and region.
If nothing else Paddon is consistent and his body of "work" shows that. Unlike some of his other contemporaries he hasn't been able to stretch his legs the way he would like to . Most of his recent outings have been funded on a shoe string and He's had to play a careful game balancing sponsor interests and showing his speed.
But if you look at 2013 as a snap shot I'd say there are plenty of example of his talent .Taken in the context of his resources , car technology and testing time , they are impressive.
Ypres - First time at Ypres which is clearly a unforgiving and technical rally , experience counts to large degree. Again done on a shoe sting budget in a car he hadn't driven before. Consistently in the top 5 and had a stage win.
Finland- Back in the Skoda but up against some newer technology . Beat Lappi and was tracking for a good result when he hit a rock. Could have risked everything and gone flat out to prove a point but choose instead to take the Podium and finish the rally. Nice result for his sponsors.
Germany- again up against cars with more torque. Had a few stage wins against Kubica and Evans but played it safe because knew he couldn't compete head to head with a Fiesta R5 or DS3 RRR. Another podium.
Australia - Bought a car , but couldn't afford significant spare parts , rag tag crew working on an unfamiliar car. After the electrical trouble plunged him down the order he had nothing to lose. He blitzed the opposition with an all out drive to take a bunch of stage wins which got him the attention of Malcolm Wilson and a drive in Spain.
Spain- Mixed surface event and first time in an unfamiliar car . No gravel testing and limited tarmac testing. Got within .6 sec/km of the leaders towards the end of the tarmac but had a frustrating time getting to grips with the set up of the car on gravel. Despite that got it home in a credible 8th place . A comparable result to many drivers in their first WRC outing.
He's not overrated , he's annoyingly under rated by a bunch of people who know nothing about him. The people who are making the hard decisions think otherwise.
more excuses than actual results... he has his chance now so we wait and see.
Is that all you got ? Again it's hard to take you seriously ( amongst other reasons, heh ! ) when you never actually offer up a substantive argument other than a few meaningless sound bites.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
But your right he now has a chance and that's the point. Certain people who clearly think he's got what it takes are giving him chance to develop into a useful and accomplished driver. A year ago nobody ( except a few of us) would have expected a drive with Hyundai and yet here he is...meow.
meow indeed...
N.O.T..... Read, process, reply. In that order.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Hanninen is a completely competent driver. That is not being argued. You guys seem to have selective memories!
Back in 2007 Hanninen finished 5th in the PWRC against what people would consider "non WRC level competitors"
In 2008 PWRC he got second, behind Aigner who hasn't done anything notable since.
Compared to Hayden who finished 3rd in the first PWRC season (with the then unreliable Evo10, on other rounds where he drove the 9 he won and finished second). Also against people who actually have driven in the WRC.
And first in 2011 where he won 4 rounds on the trot. (Beating people who are actually in the WRC now)
2012 change of car to the Super2000 (where he won two rallies and set more fastest stage times then anyone else in SWRC by a clear mile)
2013, struggling for funding the car was just not reliable where it counted. He drove the Fiesta with practically no testing on the back of little seat time in a S2000 car. It handled completely different but just as he was getting faster they switched road surfaces.
I remember a certain Thierry Neuville who finished 4th and had two fifths in 2012 in a FULL SEASON. You guys were probably rubbishing him back then. It's tall poppy syndrome. Those who dare to rise will be faced with people deeming to chop you down.
Has anyone stopped to think why Paddon undertook the program of events that he did last 2 years for when you look at it he pretty much undertook events that were right outside of his comfort zone and event experience. Could this have been because there were some people who wanted to test him and possibly some others in an environment that he or they were unfamiliar with.
Need to remember too that there are only two of the Hyundai drivers that have anything like a full program for the year as there are a lot of test and development drivers sharing the #2 car
You don't get the point. Nobody said Paddon was rubbish but some people were arguing he was on Ogier's level which simply is nonsense. That's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDA Cosworth
By the way You forgot that Hänninen finished behind Aigner only because his car (from some NZ team) was extremely unreliable. He rarely finished a whole event but still he won half of all stages he did. He won multiply more stages than Aigner in 2008.
Mirek, got cha. I just tagged onto a conversation without reading a page back to clarify that. That you for bringing that to my attention. That is nonsense. However Ogier wasn't an instant winner either, he was damn quick going up though!
Didn't he also roll that "NZ teams" evo at Rally NZ twice in the same rally? 2008 Rally NZ was like a demolition derby!
Twice within a few hundred metres. As the seasons team rated him as not only the potentially the fastest driver they had worked with but also one of the hardest on equipment and thought that once he learnt to look after the car a little better then he was world champion material.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDA Cosworth
PWRC, SWRC and now WRC2 is not so much about speed, but mainly about reliability of the car.
Indeed, if Paddon had a mechanically reliable car then Kubica and Evans would have had a hard job fighting him off in Germany last year. The fact that he was driving to ensure 3rd having posted 3 successive fastest class times during the Friday morning following the 1st evening problems explains why he set no fastest stage times late in the rally. He was mature enough to realise he couldn't catch Kubica and Evans and ensured he did enough to keep Wiegand behind him. Anyone with a brain can see the guy is highly capable. I take the point that his wins in PWRC and SWRC have tended to be against limited opposition. However, it was clear in the year that Araujo won PWRC that Tanak and Paddon were the better drivers and not much to choose between them.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
I'm hoping to see how they directly compare again this season.
Indeed, if Paddon had a mechanically reliable car then Kubica and Evans would have had a hard job fighting him off in Germany last year. The fact that he was driving to ensure 3rd having posted 3 successive fastest class times during the Friday morning following the 1st evening problems explains why he set no fastest stage times late in the rally. He was mature enough to realise he couldn't catch Kubica and Evans and ensured he did enough to keep Wiegand behind him. Anyone with a brain can see the guy is highly capable. I take the point that his wins in PWRC and SWRC have tended to be against limited opposition. However, it was clear in the year that Araujo won PWRC that Tanak and Paddon were the better drivers and not much to choose between them.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
I'm hoping to see how they directly compare again this season.
Last time I remember it took place when Hänninen and Tänak were both in SWRCQuote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Thanks for bringing back some nice memories from their epic battle in Finland!Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
My comprehension is just dandy, Mirek. But thanks for asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I always read your posts in their entirety and comprehend exactly what you're saying. It's just that, on this occasion I disagree with you. It's not the 'who' that matters, it's the 'how'.
Have you ever wondered why certain golf & tennis players dominate their respective sports for long periods of time? Does Tiger Woods have the longest drive or the most deft touch around the greens? Does Roger Federer have the fastest serve? No they don't. Sure their technical skills are up there but what sets them apart from their competitors is that they know how to win. They have mastered the art of sizing up the opposition and applying the strategies that will deliver the result.
It's the knowing how to win. It is both a skill and, for some, a habit.
It's interesting to review the winners of the WRC over the past 30 or so years. Loeb, Solberg, Gronholm, Burns, McRae, Auriol, Sainz etc, etc... They, almost without exception, have all won at least their own national title. And often it is these domestic competitions, where resources, machinery, local knowledge & experience are comparable, that are the hardest to win.
Compare those past WRC champions to those sitting in cars today. Hirvonen, Latvala, Ostberg ... What have they actually ever won? Do they actually know how to win, or can they only pull it off when those in front fall over?
Paddon has won at every level he has contested. Multiple national champion, regional winner, world champion in category.
He knows how to win, and for those who do each new competition is simply another challenge, another set of skills to master and obstacles, & competitors, to overcome.
That is why he deserves this opportunity in a world rally car and should have been on every team's shopping list.
I have not said that he is, today, the equal of Ogier or of Loeb, merely that he could be with opportunity and the right tools.
Comprehend that!
Clearly you know nothing about the subject matter. There are many results & very few excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
results against nobodies... and in his first WRC car event was struggling to beat the hamburger boy tourist Prokop...
As i said he is fast and good to watch... but i see no potential to become a challenger.... let alone champion.
Can You all stop talk about Paddon?????? For somebody he is new Loeb(for me :) ), but, will be results, then talk..... Now question is, which rally Hyundai will finish all stages.
2 beers on Fafe rallysprint :)Quote:
Originally Posted by faateris
I'm tempted to take that bet :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Forget Rallying. I think you've made a good point about motorsport generally. As someone who can remember Mark Webber before he was a Aus fford front runner. I have the opinion that Mark's complacent pre-f1 career caught up with him at RB, and contributed to him missing out on the '10 title.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
Whether it is Paddon or someone else, the best thing about these forums is going back and reading predictions people made in the past, and their accuracy, or lack thereof.
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Originally Posted by sollitt
Mads østberg is Norwegian Champion in 2007-2009, against the likes of Andreas Mikkelsen and Anders grøndal.
Not exactly "a walk in the park":)
2008 season was the famous "daddy grand prix" year, that was a really good season!
I think Mads also has won close to everything he has participated in germany, estonia/Latvia, sweden and norway thru the years to, so he is a winner, no doubt.
Mikko: 2002 Finish Group A Rally Champion. 15 WRC wins, 252 stage wins. 2nd in the championship on 4 occasions, and 3rd in the championship on 2 occasions.
Jari-Matti: 9 WRC wins, 300 stage wins. 2nd in the championship on 1 occasion, and 3rd in the championship on 2 occasions.
Lots of drivers 'deserve' a ride. But the economy is stuffed. It comes down to who has a better manager I guess.
IMO telling that winning national championship make somebody a WRC champion material is nonsense. There are hundreds of drivers who are able to win national championships even multiple times but there are few drivers who can challenge WRC title. That is simple fact. One of the reasons is that national championships are held still on the same roads and You don't learn anything new there. These guys are usually called local specialists and yes they are tough on home roads but hardly elsewhere. Also to say that cars on national level are more equal than on WRC level is not true. In most of the countries there are only very few top cars followed by plenty of old ones. Also only few national drivers have enough budget for large testing etc.
But sure some point is in it. I remember when I talked with Martin Semerád some years a go (youngest ever PWRC event winner if You remember - before he retired after an accident in which his co-driver died). He told me he doesn't like driving at Czech home roads because to succeed he would need to take insane risk against drivers who drive the same roads for twenty years. It's sad coincidence that what happened two years later fits in what he said.