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Originally Posted by RAS007

And for Mikkelsen, given his interviews before the rally.

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Yeah true mate. Mikkelsen should maybe decline a drive in Germany if he's going to crawl around the stages like this. It's not good for him and it's not good for Citroën.

Citroën have given a driver who's not even contracted full time their only latest spec car, with the new components and Jokers spent on it to make him feel comfortable. This was so he was able to push hard for a top result and test the new limits of the car. Yet all we're getting is scramble for 10th place, and for a second rally in a row pace/ a result Lefebvre wouldn't be totally happy with.

Huge disappointment. What's worse is that Breen is getting shafted out of a drive in Germany (a tarmac event that should suit him) for Mikkelsen.

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Originally Posted by racerx1979

Best rally for Leferve and a few decent stages by Mikkelsen, but still off the pace for the whole gang. Finland will be interesting with Meeke. Does he go all out or try bring it home safe with a top five finish. His past stats would suggest otherwise. At this point as long as he's ahead of the rest of the Citroen squad he's in a good situation. What would you guys do if you were in Meekes shoes??

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For his future with the team he imo needs to show he can drive ok without crashing. So fast enough to be a little bit ahead of Breen. Even leading the whole rally and crashing on last stage would not be good enough else. Not easy to be in his shoes.

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Originally Posted by mknight

For his future with the team he imo needs to show he can drive ok without crashing. So fast enough to be a little bit ahead of Breen. Even leading the whole rally and crashing on last stage would not be good enough else. Not easy to be in his shoes.

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Citroën's season would be catastrophic if it wasn't for Meeke's heroics ;). After all, they only wanted some wins this season didnt they? Toddling around in 9th or 10th place wasn't in their stated pre season goals. Meeke would've delivered them two by now if it wasn't for the car. :p

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Originally Posted by racerx1979

Best rally for Leferve and a few decent stages by Mikkelsen, but still off the pace for the whole gang. Finland will be interesting with Meeke. Does he go all out or try bring it home safe with a top five finish. His past stats would suggest otherwise. At this point as long as he's ahead of the rest of the Citroen squad he's in a good situation. What would you guys do if you were in Meekes shoes??

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I watch few Meeke onboards from last year Rally Finland and it was completely scary even for me, for my side of monitor. C3's back not stable even now in Poland, Breen and co just manage to drive at that slow speed that could keep car on a road. Meeke didn't do that in Finland and road nature there very demanding on stable car. So Meeke will crash again - cuz he tried to be fast as always, not just surviving.

Meeke's season until Argentina was ok, some crashes (Monte, Sweden off), but win (with crash and other manufacturer car issues) and good speed. 4 crashes in a row in 3 rallies can't be excused, much less called "heroics".

You know what's also interesting, if you look on the last non-tarmac rally where Meeke had sustained performance you get Sweden (up to and including SS11).
Meeke was 5th, beating "2nd level" drivers including Sordo and Paddon (who was down after Monte). Sounds familiar doesn't it? Exactly same level of performance as we saw from whole Citroen team yesterday.

Mexico stands more and more out as lucky result, all other cars had overheating issues with temporary fixes done by limiting power. And Meeke's driving didn't result in an off until last corner and he survived that one.

If you look at Meeke's off in Mexico, you can clearly see that the rear of the car was again bouncing. Hence the off-road excursion. This car does very strange things.

I really do rate Mikkelsen highly but he's spent more time in fields and access roads than on the stages in Poland.

I am very curious to see Meeke and Mikkelsen competing at same rally.

A nice Happy Birthday/kick in the balls message for Meeke.

https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing/st...71660624039936

As someone who does a lot of work in social media/PR I think I might have thought twice about this...

You can tell everyone was a little off... the team seems to have some moral issues, but what the heck do I know.... they just seem off.

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Originally Posted by Simmi

A nice Happy Birthday/kick in the balls message for Meeke.

https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing/st...71660624039936

As someone who does a lot of work in social media/PR I think I might have thought twice about this...

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Thought that too when I saw it earlier. At least Breen and the others weren't as happy clappy as Mikkelsen.

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Originally Posted by Simmi

I really do rate Mikkelsen highly but he's spent more time in fields and access roads than on the stages in Poland.

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I can't think why that might be..... ;)

Like Tanak today. If he is told to win
You have to accept risks.

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Originally Posted by mknight

For his future with the team he imo needs to show he can drive ok without crashing. So fast enough to be a little bit ahead of Breen. Even leading the whole rally and crashing on last stage would not be good enough else. Not easy to be in his shoes.

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Your obessed with running Meeke down.

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Originally Posted by mknight

Meeke's season until Argentina was ok, some crashes (Monte, Sweden off), but win (with crash and other manufacturer car issues) and good speed. 4 crashes in a row in 3 rallies can't be excused, much less called "heroics".

You know what's also interesting, if you look on the last non-tarmac rally where Meeke had sustained performance you get Sweden (up to and including SS11).
Meeke was 5th, beating "2nd level" drivers including Sordo and Paddon (who was down after Monte). Sounds familiar doesn't it? Exactly same level of performance as we saw from whole Citroen team yesterday.

Mexico stands more and more out as lucky result, all other cars had overheating issues with temporary fixes done by limiting power. And Meeke's driving didn't result in an off until last corner and he survived that one.

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That is quite sad from Citroen Racing.

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Originally Posted by Simmi

A nice Happy Birthday/kick in the balls message for Meeke.

https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing/st...71660624039936

As someone who does a lot of work in social media/PR I think I might have thought twice about this...

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Originally Posted by wrc2017

Your obessed with running Meeke down.

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Luckily you aren't obsessed with Meeke.

Im only replying to dumbass comments,
but this guy seems obsessed.
He is trolling, while im being positive.

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Originally Posted by EightGear

Luckily you aren't obsessed with Meeke.

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Originally Posted by wrc2017

Im only replying to dumbass comments,
but this guy seems obsessed.
He is trolling, while im being positive.

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He's making legitimate arguments regarding Meeke's performances, is that really trolling?

Torque speed was sett to more percent at the front than rear on Mikkelsen's car they said on the Citroën live now, not 50/50 like someone stated

I seriously can't make sense of the Citroen. Sometimes it seems quick enough, other stages it is too slow and it seems to be consistent on re-runs of stages. It is like it has one fundamental flaw which is only showing up on certain stages or something.

If citroen was smart, they'd stay behind and check where they had pace and where they didn't compared to the others and then go and very seriously check the roads on those stages. That would give them valuable data on what to improve.

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Originally Posted by BigWorm

He's making legitimate arguments regarding Meeke's performances, is that really trolling?

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Very, very legitimate comments. Both Meeke and Ogier has slower cars than the Hyundai, this we all agree on. Meanwhile Ogier has not won a single rally from the front this season. He has inherited wins from other's mistakes. Ogier is a smart guy who knows to bring maximum points everywhere he can, and to do that he needs to finish. Very simple!

Meeke is the exact opposite. He is a complete idiot who tries to win every stage of every rally always. He doesn't play the long game at all, ever. As a result, he is overdriving a car that can't handle the pace and things happen, just like it did for Tänak today. The difference is that Tänak can afford the risk, while Meeke is second to last in the championship of the regular manufacturer entries despite winning one event.

That says a few things about his performance this year.

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Stéphane Lefebvre‏Verified account @SLefebvreRallye 40m40 minutes agoMore
Very happy for this 5th position, our best result with the #C3WRC. Next #WRC event for us should be in Spain! Thank you for your support!

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So Breen will run in Germany?

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Originally Posted by KKS

So Breen will run in Germany?

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I've seen news of that throughout the day but not a source.

It obvious that they have a traction problem when reduced grip (loose surface or wet and slippery). When there is grip, the car is quick enough, if then its not compromised by high speed compression of the dampers.

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Originally Posted by itix

I seriously can't make sense of the Citroen. Sometimes it seems quick enough, other stages it is too slow and it seems to be consistent on re-runs of stages. It is like it has one fundamental flaw which is only showing up on certain stages or something.

If citroen was smart, they'd stay behind and check where they had pace and where they didn't compared to the others and then go and very seriously check the roads on those stages. That would give them valuable data on what to improve.

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I very much doubt the torque split would have been changed to more than 50 percent front and suspect they must have meant more front than it used to be.
On the other hand if the statement above is correct, it would represent swinging from one extreme to another.

Exactly. It makes no sense at all. At least for me.

To me, this is where it is clear the techical team has carried across to much from WTCC program.... where 1.. no slip.. diffs are fully loaded 2.. they dont have any high speed compression damping 3.. its then no coincidence car leads a fully tarmac rally with ease.

I comeback from rally of Poland few hours ago.
I look at the brake point after long straightway and guess who brake latest?
1.Mikkelsen 2.Lefevbre 3.Latvala 4.Ogier 5.Neuville......
But Second case is entry speed (speed after strightway)
1.Neuville 2.Tanak Ogier 3.Latvala 4........
Citroen`s cars are in other league if we talk about speed.......sorry but I see on my eyes....
I run on rallies about 20 years.....

So wait you guys, are we going to see Breen for the rest of the 5 rallies this year? (or in other words is Lefebvre dropped for Germany and not Craig?)

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Originally Posted by Eli

So wait you guys, are we going to see Breen for the rest of the 5 rallies this year? (or in other words is Lefebvre dropped for Germany and not Craig?)

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http://int-media.citroen.com/en/st%C...es-it-top-five

In here Lefebvre says he's not competing in the next two rallies

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Originally Posted by krzaki

I comeback from rally of Poland few hours ago.
I look at the brake point after long straightway and guess who brake latest?
1.Mikkelsen 2.Lefevbre 3.Latvala 4.Ogier 5.Neuville......
But Second case is entry speed (speed after strightway)
1.Neuville 2.Tanak Ogier 3.Latvala 4........
Citroen`s cars are in other league if we talk about speed.......sorry but I see on my eyes....
I run on rallies about 20 years.....

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Well if they have slowest speed then they clearly can brake later.

So is it Meeke, Breen and Mikkelsen for Finland?

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Originally Posted by er88

So is it Meeke, Breen and Mikkelsen for Finland?

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Meeke, Breen and Al-Qassimi for Finland.
Meeke, Breen and Mikkelsen for Deutchland. So it's their first duplicate car-driver-lineup this season, same as in Sardegna.

Didn't quite get why no Lefevbre for Finnland. Sure Mikkelsen is probably playing hard to get and wants extra tests, but shouldn't be a problem for Lefevbre. They already ran 4 cars in Portugal.

Running out of money?


In other news, Poland was the first rally of the season where they got 2 cars in top 10. Their 2nd highest manu points score as well.

Kinda tells how bad the season has been so far more than anything.

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Originally Posted by mknight

Didn't quite get why no Lefevbre for Finnland. Sure Mikkelsen is probably playing hard to get and wants extra tests, but shouldn't be a problem for Lefevbre. They already ran 4 cars in Portugal.

Running out of money?


In other news, Poland was the first rally of the season where they got 2 cars in top 10. Their 2nd highest manu points score as well.

Kinda tells how bad the season has been so far more than anything.

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So true it's sad (the other news part), I've noticed it aswell but I really really hope they can get back to winning ways (or at least podium ways) before the end of this season.

I have to assume they haven't got the budget to put out four cars on events. Remember this is the team who really only wanted to run two cars this year.

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Originally Posted by Eli

So wait you guys, are we going to see Breen for the rest of the 5 rallies this year? (or in other words is Lefebvre dropped for Germany and not Craig?)

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I didn’t comment Breen’s Germany alleged absence because I found it hard to believe. There’s a lot of misinformation and some journos (brits, french, whatever…) are acting like vultures around Citroen. With so many fantastic things going on in WRC (epic fights; new talents rising; amazing tech developments, etc) to keep messing around with one team misfortunes is a waste of time and a sad way to report the sport. Citroen, the WRC and us, the fans, deserved better.

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Originally Posted by mknight

Running out of money?

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The many repairs of Lefebvre's and Meeke's cars and paying their wages do cost.

Mikkelsen prbly did not pay anything, most likely even wanted some pay after first test/sardinia.

Also even Hyundai says they can't afford 4 cars.

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Originally Posted by Rally Power

I didn’t comment Breen’s Germany alleged absence because I found it hard to believe. There’s a lot of misinformation and some journos (brits, french, whatever…) are acting like vultures around Citroen. With so many fantastic things going on in WRC (epic fights; new talents rising; amazing tech developments, etc) to keep messing around with one team misfortunes is a waste of time and a sad way to report the sport. Citroen, the WRC and us, the fans, deserved better.

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Well that's why I'm asking you guys, 'cause it's hard to tell with all the misinformation.