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Well, 2012 is a great experience, but resulted being unemployed, 2014 was WRC2 season, most of all...2015 wasn`t perfect either, developing DMacks in 2016 gave him a chance to get a podium / victory on some events, not more, in 2017 he didn`t have a chance to think about it even, being nr. 2 to Ogier...Toyota failed him many times in 2018...
Mäkinen had a full factory season with Nissan in 1992 but the factory quit, thus his 1993 and 1994 were half seasons. Kankkunen was also with Toyota works team for three years before going to Peugeot, but the seasons consisted of few WRC events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregor-y
Auriol started already with full season in 1989 with Lancia and had driven with Ford the year before.
In every year before 1994 the regulations stated that you counted the best eight rallies to your result (like in WRC2). Thus Biasion et al did a "full season" by just doing eight rallies. Nobody did actual full seasons in that time. The closest must be Sainz in 1990 and Alen in 1986, all but Ivory Coast.
And Tänak, we could say he did full seasons of 2012 and 2015-2019, in total six, before becoming a champion. Probably longer than most champions, but in the double Seb era many drivers never became champions at all.
Maybe we should then count rallies, not seasons? :)
Could be a more adequate way of determining rally drivers skills and accomplishments. 😃
marca.com interview out now, nothing new acutally https://translate.google.ee/translat...7278b457b.html
Q. What has been the most important season of your career?
A. I think I started to really evolve from then on. The 2016 season, again with DMACK, but already at WRC, was, perhaps, the toughest I've ever done, but, at the same time, I'm sure that made me stronger and gave me an extra experience in that regard . I had to face difficult conditions, knowing most of the time that I would not be able to fight to win. It was very important for me to run as Ogier's partner the following year. We spend a lot of time together, I think we form a very solid team between the two. I learned a lot from him, I understood how certain aspects of our work should be carried out, and we also built a good friendship that we still have.
glad that im not the only who thinks the Dmack year was as important as 2017. Like he says, he knew most of the time he cant compete with those tryes and IMO it teached him to be patient and mind his own business.
I also liked the part where the Spanish interviewer asks innocently Tänak's opinion of Sordo, and Tänak says they could be teammates some day :D
Yea, ive also allways been thinking that DMACK year was a breakthrough in his career. He was able to drive pressurefree, with his own pace and I guess Dmack tyres teached him alot about stability and consistensy. And nobody really didnt expected something from him other than feedback to develop tyres. 2015 there were quite alot driving mistakes and and not so good year. With DMACK year in the middle, the 2017 he was quite strong already with decent pace and very few driving mistakes, so in my personal opinion DMACK year was very important.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I think it was Malcolm who said that 2017 was a turning point for Ott. The reason? Martin Järveoja. All of Ott's WRC wins have come with Martin.
I don't think it's only one-and-only key parameter there.Quote:
Originally Posted by sinepikohv
"Turning point" includes at least:
- Analyze and experience from previous (mistakes)
- Match with Martin
- Being (important) part of development of new car - clear understanding why and how something works
- Ogier as team-mate
Not saying that his success boiled down to just Martin. For example, I agree with the points you made, I just recalled something Malcolm said.
By the way, something is brewing with the "Ott Tänak - The Movie" stuff as well. Film-makers were in Catalunya and confirmed that something new will be released soon. Whether it's a 2.0 or a different ending to the original movie, they didn't say.
Remember how Tänak still "threw away" two potential victories in 2017, in Portugal and Poland. And it wasn't far in Sardegna with an overshoot on the last day. Still in Finland he made a mistake at the very beginning of the rally. Since then that hasn't happened anymore. I would claim the second victory in Germany was the turning point. After that it's been easier.
One of the producers Aleksander Ots said in "Õhtu" that they would add "Won his first title in 2019" to the ending of the original movie, but it wont be just this sentence as film crew were in Catalunya with Ott and they are waiting for crew to arrive in Estonia to start look through raw material.
Guys do you remember Poland 2017? Tanak was crying and the WRC rally win seemed like a curse impossible to catch because of that damn rock, and the chances running out year after year.
Look at where he is now though. He is an example. Never give up even when everything seems lost.
https://rallystar.net/wp-content/upl...ak-Poland-.jpg
I too believe that while several factors played role in Otts' maturing into elite driver, big role was in codriver change. Biggest difference between Ott 5 years ago and today is not speed, but confidence and focus which results in very few mistakes while going at his best speed. Its not widely discussed (so take this as evil rumor) but he never had such 100% confidence in his past codrivers because every now and then mistakes slipped in, even if its just change in reading pace not false note. Now with Martin he has perfect match, he has absolute trust and can focus on driving.
Which makes me wonder - how much say has Martin in current negotiations and how big would his share be? I know usually its said that codriver gets 10%, so in case of 7MEUR deal he would get 700K?
Taking into account also agents share (Märtin) and payments to past sponsors (surely Wilson, maybe Märtin, probably not Gross), also taxes, he himself can probably keep half the money, if not less. Which is still lot of money... P
I just think it's a telling stat that Martin is the only co-driver with whom Ott has won events.
I've never really understood what excactly did Ott learn from Seb in the M-Sport days. Ott, Seb and Malcolm have always said that Ott learned a lot. But what excactly? I'm sure journalists have asked but perhaps I just don't remember or Ott and the others really doesn't say anything specific.
And one movie related thing as well - during Rally Estonia, it was rumoured that a film about Markko is in the making. Info came from a really good source but everything seems to be quiet on that front.
2016.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
It’s great to see Tanak praising Ogier; hope Ogier haters can notice it. Btw, nice interview; thanks for sharing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Taking notes, setting up the car, adjusting your driving style. Who knows what else.Quote:
Originally Posted by sinepikohv
Before that season next to ogier he was a good number 2 driver. By the end of it he was the number one he is today, so he must have learned something.
I've watched this quite a few times : https://youtu.be/rjo-c8fwLZwQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
David Evans interviews Tänak in his new Gravel Notes podcast episode
Now that's also true. And Tanak is the first to break that cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I think that breaking Sebastiens domination era will add little bit more "value" to this title.
Well, okay.. We have settled this thing w my wife for couple of days now and decided to watch the movie again.. Ofcourse it is thru blue-black-white glasses, but holy dmack.. Now you watch it from a totally different point of view. It just makes so much more sense and you can put all the pieces of puzzle together.. All the tragedy and bad luck.. just so devostating.
Watching it now, after the WDC.. what a journey it have been.. All the troubles, crashes, problems and negotiations w Malcolm and Markko.. It's just so awesome to see, how dreams come true, although it has been as easy as changing a clutch thru the exhaust :D
And on the other hand.. from Poland 16' and on.. Ogier has been much more than just a world champ.. As he said years ago.. ,,I have had few friends from WRC, but Ott is one of them''.. There is something special between those guys.
But even being fan of Tänak, I really hope, that Neuville gets his WDC one day.. Don't want him to be another Jari, who has had a very long WRC career, but sadly there were too many ,,Sebs,, :D
...and now Ott
There was a story with Malcolm Wilson in the Estonian media yesterday.
Some loose translations: "Ogier mostly taught him mental aspects of rallying. You don't have to win every stage and should think of the rally as a whole. I never doubted Ott's speed, but his maturing, Janika and Seb have played a big part in the title."
Malcolm knew already in 2017 that it's just a matter of time when Ott wil win the title. "I believe it may had happened already in 2018 if Ott had stayed with us at M-Sport."
Also, when Ott wanted to change his co-driver in 2016, Wilson didn't really think it was a great idea. Although he adds that he didn't disallow it either.
The link itself is: https://sport.ohtuleht.ee/981842/mal...eistriks-tulla
A lot can be speculated on forums but the tone of voice in Tanak's FB page post tells quite a bit.
Looks quite good actually :D....cant wait to see the first test videos
https://www.wrc.com/images//News/201...jKKjlr7aMbkLEU
At least we have our own flag on car roof. But i think he keep his number eight on the car and not changing it to number one.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
He has to, i believe there was a rule that No. 1 is supposed to be used by no. 1.
...and it is nr. 1 afterall...
F1 has no such rule, champion can take 1, but Hamilton is still using #44Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
But I believe Ott will take 1. Big marketing value!!!
Regulations given an option not to chose it, but who wouldn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
CAR IDENTIFICATION
17. SEASONALLY ALLOCATED COMPETITION NUMBERS
17.1 MANUFACTURERS
P1 drivers may request a specific number provided that the application is endorsed by the FIA and the
Promoter. Number 1 may only be chosen by the World Champion driver of the previous season. Requested
numbers may not be greater than 99.
One more really important parameter - personal trainer (physical & mental) Tarmo Tiits. Picked from Tänak's interview to estonian media.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
Ott Tänak - The Movie will be available on DVD: https://www.apollo.ee/en/ott-tanak-t...fannipakk.html
Does the DVD included some extras besides the movie?
They should make a sequel to original movie ;)
Yes, look at the price - 40€. They really are milking it. It says the dvd includes the movie + extra disc with interviews with rallyworld persons, Ott's family and Ott himself that weren't included in the movie + extra scenes and clips that weren't in the movie + an extensive photobook + an introduction of the people interviewed in the movie. The total length of the new content isn't mentioned but it says they filmed for more than 150h.Quote:
Originally Posted by Japé
After Ott's title it was also mentioned in Estonian media that the end of the movie will be edited. Ott's WDC will be added to it somehow.
E: Päss was fasterQuote:
Originally Posted by Japé
Probably biggest chunk that was missing from his movie was his involvement with russian Syrus Rally Team. It didnt work out. Blame was thrown afterwards both ways but today Ott is champ and most people dont even remember this team any more.
I put a link here to google translated article: https://translate.googleusercontent....s6kqg5EB6_ZNUA
i think this is the first interview i have found after he became champ....he rarely or basically doesnt give any interviews to estonian media
https://translate.google.ee/translat...4XSGnpS4OQ3t8M
Do you already know when to test the Hyundai i20 WRC for the first time?
Tänak: Our contracts run until the end of the year. But manufacturers usually agree that drivers can test for their new team earlier. We are talking about that right now. If everything works out, I should be in Hyundai for the first time before Christmas.