Thank Mark!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
The full-specification 1.6-litre Ford EcoBoost turbo engine being flown out to Spain for the car’s next major asphalt test. http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/f...eal_next_week/
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Thank Mark!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
The full-specification 1.6-litre Ford EcoBoost turbo engine being flown out to Spain for the car’s next major asphalt test. http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/f...eal_next_week/
Did they not use the 1.6T engine last week ? But like you mention might not have been 'full spec' one....
It was 1.6 for sure. The sound was very different to 2.0 ;)
Thanks.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Yes, it was 1,6 engine but according to Mikko, it wasn't the direct injection model which is to be used next year. Now they're going to get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProRally
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfwtjQGIdo8Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSXcbYvyIpA
slow...
True..on tarmac one can see a slight difference between the power of the new Fieasta WRC and the old Focus. Fiesta reminds too much S2000 on tarmac. Should be more aggressive :SQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Shortly put: New T1.6 WRC's needs more power!
The sound is, no launch control anymore?
Yes, I think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaCo
I would wait for different tarmac roads. To me everything looks really boring on this type of stages (current WRC cars also).Quote:
Originally Posted by julkki
Give them more power dam it, im guessing they still run a restrictor?
Yes, even smaller one - 33 mm.
Yep, very true, but I was only referring to performance of the car. In these kind of road and conditions you can see the performance difference of the WRC-cars most clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
For me, at least, there's a visible power difference between the new 1.6t and the old WRC.
Yes, for sure. But on the other hand I prefer S2000 on certain situations like fast changes of direction where they behave much more roughly due to absence of central differential or in very hard braking from high speeds. Since I rarely watch places where they accelerate from slow speeds, I'm not that worried about the engine :)
Current top spec WRC's are putting out around 400 horses. I'm expecting top 1.6T engines to have almost 350 hp of power somewhere next year when the second development generation of new engines is ready. Yes, there is a tight restrictor but teams have also more freedom with engines because they are allowed to use more custom made parts than before.
For example Malcom Wilson has said that the new Fiesta is propably be as fast as current Focus. With lower weight and much lower air resistance this sounds realistic.
I don't believe that. They may get faster than current cars in time but it will be mostly because of tyre and suspension development.
By the way there are quite small aerodynamic forces in rally speeds. You can make some basic estimation from a formula Fx = 1/2 * ro * A * cx * v2. If You have frontal area A = 2 m2, cx let's say 0,4, air density ro = 1,3 kg/m3 and speed v = 150 km/h, You have only some 900N of counter force. If You have let's say 0,2 m2 smaller front area You have some 90 N less aerodynamic force. That's like 9 kg. Nothing reasonable ;)
The weight difference is only 30 kg, that's also nothing special. It's a bit more than one spare wheel.
Ok, didn't do the math...although I'm an engineer... :D . But I still believe that they are going to get surprisingly good numbers out of those engines, it only takes some time so I don't expect it straight away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I have to agree with Mirek, on that sort of tarmac road and also a start you`d need a dragster to make it look fast, can`t really say anything about the performance based on that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Other than that the handling seems good compared to the Focus which looks like a Hippo trying to hump.
Anyhow the car sounds great and that will give a whole new feeling watching them live I think, thay might even give the effect of being faster when looking at them on the stage due to the sound/ higher revs.
I totally agree, the high revving noise is also a part of the show which has been somewhat lost with the wRC's
Does anyone thin Ford should get a tarmac tester since Mikko and Jari don't prefer tarmac? Might be good to get someone who has tarmac as their preferred surface, just a thought
6789 yes, we agree: http://www.motorsportforums.com/foru...9&postcount=42
long year ahead for mr-wilson if this car is the one to run in the championship...
Wilson: next year will be the best yet for privateers...
http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/w...or_privateers/Quote:
“For the first time in years, all of our cars, like all of them – from one end of our service park to the other, through the BP cars, to the Stobarts, the Monsters, the Munchi’s, all of them, they’re all the same. Anything we learn in testing with Mikko [Hirvonen] and Jari [-Matti Latvala] will be passed on and shared. It’s going to be an incredible year.”
I am not sure I understand the above article... Currently what is the difference between a Stobart car and Mikko and Jari's cars?
The drivers........ ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TyPat107
TyPat107, the difference between their 2008-spec cars and 2009-spec cars is in the WRC car specification.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyPat107
thanks. and i appreciate the patience. i didnt know the stobart cars were 2008 spec. and i am still trying to understand fia regs since we dont exactly use those here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat
Only thing to be understood there is that Wilson is looking for suckers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat
The two official cars will always be ahead in terms of performance, and especially engine power. I hope that no privateer will fall in this trap and think his private Fiesta is as good as the factory Fiesta. :mad:
I have an idea for Wilson:
If he has 5 "so called" identical Fiestas in Sweden next year, lets have all 5 engine CPU's in a bag and every driver picks his CPU blindfolded for the rally, then leave it sealed in the car for all rally. After that we can talk about identical cars. :D
with the current driver lineup wilson has in his factory and private cars doing this will not affect the results between them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaffi
Wilson has a company to run its its normal to say those things and his loyal "yes-men" to post them.
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
True you have a good point. My thoughts were of good drivers thinking to get a car from M-Sport next year. A Guy like PG for example to do Sweden.
With new cars the difference should be smaller because there is same rule as in S2000 cars - even engine management software must be homologated.
He meant for his pocket.. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat
worryingly slow....
In the M-Sport tradition :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Unbelievable guys you are. Judgement based on a video! Makes me laugh :d
Thanks the true red fans (N.O.T, Daniel...), “...next year I put the DS3 and my red army in there and then Ford won’t exist...Take care! Take care! Take care! The WRC will be empty, because nobody can do anything against Citroen.”
As if we didn't already know this, lol. :ninja: