If he had stayed at prodrive with the S14; he would had equal points as now. And yes, B-teams and private teams have slower specs.
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If he had stayed at prodrive with the S14; he would had equal points as now. And yes, B-teams and private teams have slower specs.
Yes , I believe that's true...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wim
We didn't see much of a progress In his performance, being a privateer.
staying at prodrive would have seen some small improvements. Looking at some time's from mads, the car is capable for some top times. Hirvo and loeb would have been too fast yes..but the old xsara isn't more reliable than the subaru..
Remember Marcus in Portugal!He did a very good job until he retired...
At least Prodrive would've given Petter everything they have. It doesn't mean he would've won or will win but there won't be no B-team treatment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wim
Voila! And he would be first in line when they come with a new project.Quote:
Originally Posted by koko0703
For me subaru will come back in the near future. Read in a argentinian website they are investigating S2000WRC and S1600WRC. They spoke if I'm not mistaken with Tommi Makinen racing??
last year they gave everything they had to him and was slower than atkinson.....Quote:
Originally Posted by koko0703
I have to mention that this opinion is right!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Solberg plays alone and doesn't care about anyone.
Last year he had a nice car but didn't make something really good!
I wonder if his champion in 2003 was byhimself or luck helped a little :D
They thought some of the reason for Atko not struggeling so much with the car was that he got rebuildt shells who had more welds in them that made them stronger and didn't flex so much...Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
2003 season's standings:Quote:
Originally Posted by jimakos
1. P.Solberg 72
2. S.Loeb 71
3. C.Sainz 63
4. R.Burns 58
5.M.Martin 49
6.M.Gronholm 46
7.Colin Mcrae 45
8.F.Duval 30
-.T.Makinen 30
As you can see that times, Petter competed against all rally masters!
I think this was the toughest championship of this decade...
I still don't get what you mean with that '...luck helped a little' thing...
Do you mean like Mikko's luck, with Loeb crashing all the time?
No, Petter had no such luck mate.. ;)
Please stop doubting about Petter's driving abilities...He has proven what he is made of and in a proper car he can do miracles!I still remember 2004 when he beat the champion three times in a row...
great we can add him to the ''has been'' list now.....
I don't take my words back,he is the most spectacular driver I've seen!Quote:
Originally Posted by LCD
I just wonder how a champion can take a fall so quickly!
2006 6th
2007 5th
2008 6th
2009 6th so far
A champion have to be a champion a lot of years and not to make a
BAM and after nothing!!I personally waited more things from Petter.
About Mikko don't blame him so quickly we'll see in the future if he's worth :cool:
He can drive boys! he's the third in ranking I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimakos
I think Psycho! has already answered to your expectations...Quote:
Originally Posted by jimakos
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Originally Posted by Psycho!
again BS. Petter did development tasks with the S12b and was frustrated that he could not challenge. Atko was hired by Prodrive (Petter by Subaru). After s14, Atko wasn't even close. So get your facts straight. I'm starting to get tired of your BSQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Well said :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho!
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Originally Posted by Psycho!
Petter was champion in 04, so how did he beat himself 3 times? Your post makes no sense?
Seb was champ in 04- Petter's championship was in 03.
Petter was champion in 2003,Loeb was in 2004...
As serial jeff said Solberg was champion in 2003!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazza2541
2004 title went in Loeb with a fantastic performance of him :cool:
Don't blame psycho with no reason!!
I massively disagee with you there...2005 AND 2006 were Seb's years,but let me say that at least two drivers were faster than him back to 2004...It was difficult for him to win even on tarmac... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jimakos
Read posts carefully guys... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazza2541
Petter beat the champion three times in a row back In 2004 means he
took 3 countries In a row that year : Japan,Great Britain and Italy!
How can you tell this while in 2004 Loeb took the title with 118 points!Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho!
And have a look to the other drivers:
Petter Solberg
Marcus Gronholm
Mikko Hirvonen
Markko Martin
Gilles Panizzi
Carlos Sainz
And Loeb was very young then...
Agreed, 2004 was a great performance by Seb- he was either 1st or 2nd on 12 of the 16 rallies. Most of those 2nd places were behind Petter. Petter and Markko both beat him several times, but Seb still had the most victories and was very fast on all the surfaces.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimakos
I think 2004 was his most impressive season; sure he had way more victories in the following years, but there was diminishing competition.
Your last word is absolutely right!Quote:
Originally Posted by serial jeff
That's I'm talking about...
Very strong competition that year ;)
I think this was the year, more people started noticing him... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by serial jeff
He was fast on every surface but not the fastest...What I mean is that he was more a complete driver than the rest and that gave him the title...He was not the fastest on gravel because Petter was,but on tarmac Markko threatened him while Petter was behind both...
I agree with what you say but still believe 2004 title was the most tough and Loeb gave his best!Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho!
This time a complete driver is Mikko than the rest.
He isn't the fastest but he's 1st so far...
Yeah, Markko had some troubles with his car on that year like previous year. In GB retired due to engine failure, In Sardegna retied due to the turbo failure. In Turkey lost a lot of time due to electrical problem and terrible accident in Argentina and small accident in Greece.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho!
In 2004, Petter was clearly the fastest driver/car-combo, but unfortunately for him the Impreza wasn't reliable enough, it was amongst others the year with watersplash problems. He lost a lot of points due to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by serial jeff
If you look at stage wins in 2004 it is absolutely clear:
Petter: 94 stage wins
Grønholm: 69 stage wins
Loeb: 67 stage wins
Yeah, will anyways Markko was clearly fastest in 2003 but never got a chance to the title cause the new Focus 2003 model had too many technical problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halvis
I alwyays thought if you won a championship in one year, you were considered champion for the next. Is that not so? Did Petters win in 03 not result in him getting car No1 for 04? Or do I have it backwards?
Absolutely agree :up: .Quote:
Originally Posted by Halvis
Can someone please confrim that we live in 2009 ??? 2003-04 are long gone boys grow up....
History rally reviews are good, as we all seem not to be satisfied withQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
wrc present picture... ;)
Yes, I'm fully aware of this fact. If you read the previous posts (maybe too much to ask...?) you'll see why I stated the stage wins in 2004.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I'd be highly interested to see if Petter is able to maintain steady top speed and keep up with Sebastien and Mikko if given the right tools??
Petter is still fast, we all know that but is he fast on couple of stages only or throughout the rally? I'd like to believe he'll be a winner option.
Why you have to be so rude man? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Because she has earned it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LCD