I doubt he thinks that, however how would any of you people feel if your private life would go public?!Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Can't you just stop criticizing him for his sexual life?
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I doubt he thinks that, however how would any of you people feel if your private life would go public?!Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Can't you just stop criticizing him for his sexual life?
Just goes to show you have no idea of how Germans and Austrians see what the Nazis did in WWII.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Trying telling a joke involving "nazis" and/or "jews" in Germany or Austria and you might see what I'm talking about.
Before saying that I'm silly you could take your time and try to find out what the reality is.
Well, Paul Stoddart has said that he estimates the 55 clubs who voted against Mosley represent around 80% of the numbers of the motoring groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
If this vote had been organised along the lines of a shareholders' meeting, Max would have lost by a ratio of approximately 20:80 instead of winning 103:55.Quote:
Source: http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=42854
"It's a sad day for world motorsport," he told BBC Radio 5 Live.
"If the 103 countries [who voted in Mosley's favour] were read out, I guarantee you wouldn't recognise 99 percent of them, with a few notable exceptions.
"I think it's the beginning of the end of the FIA as we know it.
"I suspect we will now see a massive breakaway – the 50-odd that voted against Mosley represent some 80 percent of the numbers of the worldwide motoring groups of the big countries that we all know and respect.
Remember: 55 clubs had no confidence in Max Mosley. That's hugely significant.
If my sex life affected my ability to do my job, I'd expect to be asked to resign.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Mind you, I only get it twice a year, so no shocking headlines here I am afraid! :rotflmao:
Oh, ioan, I don't think telling jokes about nazi's is very clever anywhere, do you?
Not him again! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Was this calculated based on Stoddy's estimation?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
And 103 did have confidence, that's even more significant! Unless there is a huge change in maths that I missed one of these days!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
As already pointed out by Bagwan, many politicians would be happy to win by such a margin!
Cheers people, try to get over someone else's private life, it's none of your business.
You're some kind of p-star!?! :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Just kidding.
Richard Nixon perhaps...oh no, he resigned :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
You are missing the point. The way the vote works skews the true result, because countries with one club get one vote, countries with 3 clubs, get..........Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
anybody?
Beuller.........
Beuller.........
Beuller.........
anybody.......
;)
No it isn't but in some countries they might try to see the humorous part of it, but not in Germany and Austria.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Believe me I know these countries, young people (there are exceptions as always) are ashamed about what happened and they do strongly condemn it.
The ADAC move was based on Germany's external politics in regard to the horrors of WWII.
Honestly, do all these clubs have a minimum set number of members?! If each club has a minimum of say 10 millions and one country has 2 and the other 10 than I see your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
But what if in OZ they have 5 clubs of 1 million members while in China they have 1 club of 100.000.000?! What then?!
Allow me to cite you:
"anybody?
Beuller.........
Beuller.........
Beuller.........
anybody.......
;) "
:p :
Anyway I'm just glad that justice was done and he didn't have to resign because of extra-marital affairs.
See ya all in another thread! ;)
TTFN. :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
What part of gassing very large numbers of people based on their faith do you find humorous?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
There is being able to move on from something, and being offended by something.
I suspect ADAC had to make the stand not directly because of Germany's history, but because of Max's inference that BMW and Mercedes were directly involved of their own volition during WWII.
Anyway, we've digressed way off the beaten track, again. Wainwright would be proud! ;)
i'm not surprised and i don't know why anybody else is, either.
max wouldn't have called the vote if he didn't absolutely know he would win it.
as i predicted a couple of weeks ago on the other Mosley-related thread, max won the vote on the strength of the unrepresentative FIA voting structure and the big clubs from the big countries will bugger off and form their own organisation, leaving max until the end of his term in 2009 to spend McLaren's $100 mill on his supporting countries.
amongst the countries likely to have voted against mosley - because their federations signed official letters demanding his resignation - include (as mentioned by Knock-On a while back):
USA (AAA and AATA),
Singapore (AAS),
Germany (ADAC),
Finland, (AL),
Canada (CAA),
Brazil (CCB),
Denmark (FDM),
France (FFA),
India (FIAA),
Japan (JAF),
the Netherlands (KNAC),
Sweden (M),
Hungary (MAK),
Israel (MEMSI),
Austria (OEMTC),
Spain (RACC and RACE),
Belgium (TCB)
Switzerland (TCS),
Russia.
Bernie will side with the breakaway, because if you add Monaco, you've got a solid championship base already.
Singapore, Germany, Hungary, Spain, Belgium, Canada, Brazil and Japan already hosting a Grand Prix (Germany and Japan are both easily and historically capable of hosting two), while Russia and India are both dead keen to get one anyway.
It's a reasonable championship already and the Muslim-dominated countries (Bahrain, Turkey and Malaysia) plus Australia and China would almost certainly come with them.
Rule out Switzerland, because by law, you cannot hold a car race there.
then, at the end of 2009, mosley will depart. he will not seek another term because, with the bigger clubs gone, their earning power will be gone as well, and so will everything inside the cash tin in the FIA's headquarters. And why would max want to be looking at an empty biscuit tin? his successor can clean that mess up.
While F1 may find its groove without the FIA, the World Rally Championship and the WTCC have less certain futures, neither of them being commercially strong enough to wander off on their own, neither of them being commercially strong enough to warrant the attentions of B Ecclestone.
Look for these two sports, in particular, to become the outlet for some of the voting payoffs, with people from countries you've never heard of being appointed stewards and new events in countries loyal to max.
I'd also like to see somebody auditing airfares and accommodation costs from the FIA (though they've learned a thing or two off the IOC, so it'll be a few layers deep), because this is another way the payoff will happen.
(and, ioan, china and india have a fraction of the cars in the US or the UK, for that matter, and a fraction of the licenced drivers, so they would not have a 4-1 voting advantage over the US. it's the other way around, and then some.)
it's a sad, predictable day. we stand on the brink of a schism the likes of which the sport we all love has never seen.
Regardless of what anybody thinks about privacy issues and whether somebody's personal life should be aired in public, the fact remains that up until this afternoon, only one man could have stopped this from happening.
Cometh the hour, cometh the man. And he didn't.
the only conclusion you can draw from it is that a man with a deep love of the sport (and the rest of the FIA's responsibilities) could have, for the sake of the sport, averted the worst yet to come.
The FIA is not just motorsport and max knows (and if i knew they would break away two weeks ago, he surely did) that without the money from the bigger countries, any FIA road-safety initiatives will not be seen through, either.
yet he still placed his pride above the that which he purports to love and feel responsible for.
Karma, where art thou?
Australia has one club, the AAA.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
it is the peak body for the state clubs (RACQ, NRMA, RACV, RACT etc).
china does not have 100,000,000 people with licences. while it's accelerating, its annual new car sales last year were about the same as Australia's.
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Originally Posted by ioan
i wouldn't have thought telling nazi or jewish jokes was a bright idea in romania, either, given that their slaughter of jews was so extreme that the nazis had to send Eichmann down there - of all people - to put a stop to it.
This simplistic assesment is neither accurate nor productive.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
The voting result proves, how powerful Max is. It looks like he got votes from those, for who his continuance is beneficial (smaller organizations?). Money talks, you know. Max is a true specialist at law and he uses this knowledge perfectly to keep his seat. Alas his knowledge is not that beneficial for the interest of autosport in general.
I don't think the scandal was a direct reason for this voting procedure and all this sudden dissatisfaction with Max by those, who are engaged with autosport. More likely it's only an impulse, which indeed has magnified all the previously accumulated tensions.
Yep, I pretty much agree with all that. However, there are options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey T
IF there is a break-away, then I see things going the way you say. It will be damaging for everyone involved and the good work that the FIA does will be severly compromised. There will be a lot of collatoral damage but a leaner, meaner FIA (or whatever it's called then) will emerge.
But, there is a 3rd way.
MM must know now that he cannot survive and continue. He would be foolish to try as he will be thwarted at every term. He may hold onto his position but it is a hollow role. There is a possibility he may bow out, stating he has proved himself with the vote but now feels it the correct time to focus on clearing his name with the NOTW.
We can just hope now he's had his ego massaged by the "monkeys at the back" that he decides to quit.
I was just saying as much to Susy. Max could emerge with a tiny trace of dignity if he now says "I've won the vote, which was important for me personally, but now it's time to step down for the sake of the FIA and motorsport".
I wouldn't get my hopes up though :s
Well done, Max and dignity are difficult to combine in the same sentence :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Max needs now , to focus on opening up that can of worms a little wider .
Let's see who was responsible for the sting .
I'm really disappointed by this. Aside from anything, Max doesn't seem to have done anything other than defend himself since the story broke; the only race he turned up at was Monaco, and most of the teams refused to meet him then. He also said that if he survived then he wanted the role to be more low-key until his term expires in a year or so. Erm, isn't there a lot of stuff that needs to be sorted out before then? I get the feeling that Bernie's going to have to step in in the off-season over the customer cars issue as that simply won't wait until next summer.
You need to appreciate that this is how the News Of The World gets most of its publicity. They're well known for organising elaborate situations to entrap high-profile public figures, criminals, or celebrities. Google "Fake sheik" and you'll get an idea of their modus operandi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Maybe Max upset somebody in Murdoch's empire, but I doubt there's any big conspiracy at work here.
Our Bulgarian member has voted for Max - I am happy :)
Interesting observation is that if the vote at the FIA would have been representative of the size of the organisation (as mentioned earlier) rather than the number of organisations, it would have been similar to the results of our vote.
As it is, we know that the FIA doesn't work like that ;)
I wonder if all the smaller members are Ferrari fans as well :laugh:
Bernie's view:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67965Quote:
"It's business as usual as far as I'm concerned. I hope it hasn't destabilised sponsors or manufacturers. I've always said publicly that I thought he should stand down at the end of the year. We are now in a position where nobody quite knows (what will happen). All those who said things in the past, I don't imagine they are going to change their opinion now. It's going to be difficult for him to act as a president of the FIA if the people who said before that they don't want to meet with him maintain that position."
Tell me some statistics of the driving population of Bulgaria and what events your governing body hold thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
I daresay it would be small beer compared to other countries events.
Why that allows a vote equal with others escapes me.
I don't think so! This is a farce :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=34986
See? It's drastically changing the environment as we speak. Action now! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
i really enjoyed that the Vatican has the same voting rights as, say, the UK and the US.
makes the dodgy lack of transparency all the more transparent.
I can't take Pitpass seriously, their reporting smacks desperately of an organisation trying not to piss off the people who provide their precious media credentials.
How else could you explain:
orQuote:
Despite the best efforts of certain people within
the F1 paddock, aided and abetted by their friends
in the mainstream media, FIA President Max Mosley
has scored a resounding victory in his battle to
keep his job, winning today's crucial vote by 103
votes to 55.
Quality journalism? :erm:Quote:
In a blatant attempt to sway FIA members ahead of
today's all important Extraordinary General
Meeting - at which Max Mosley's fate will be
decided - Bernie Ecclestone has sent out a clear
warning... vote for Max and you're stuck with him
for another six years. While the rest of us await
not only news of the vote but also the two
investigations into how the News of the World
first got hold of the Mosley sex scandal in the
first place, Bernie Ecclestone has made another
attempt to rock the boat.
Hey, the Vatican could one day be a major player in motorsport. I for one would love to see a Popemobile in the WTCC :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mickey T
I applaud this.
Awesome result.
Justice has prevailed.
Really, I can`t but admire how tenacious this man is.
If Sniff Petrol is the "Daily Sport" of F1, then PitP1ss must be "The Sun".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Does anyone apart from the most sycophantic fan take it seriously? I haven't looked at the bilge for years and feel infinatly better each day :)
Garry. You have on occassions let slip evidence of cognitive reasoning and intelligence. Admittedly, it's often disguised in some tirade or other but we know you are capable of being insightful, witty and even informed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Can we get back to that side of you? :p : :D
Whatever the morality of Max, it is immaterial now in the face of the damage his position is bringing to F1. He might be a tenatious old buzzard but that scaresly matters any more. Personally, I think he is a hypocrite and has issues that professional counselling will take years to iron out but that isn't a reason for him to quit. What is a reason is that now his position is untenable and he is persona non gratis around most of F1, He has lost the support of FIA members representing over 3/4 of the bulk of the FIA and is seen as a laughing stock (or worse) by anyone that has heard of him, do you not think he should do the decent thing for the FIA and get the hell out of Dodge.
I ask again, what good is there in him staying on and what can he possibly hope to accomplish?
This is often said by those who support him, but rarely qualified. Care to expand?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
As I have said before, I am uncomfortable with people being forced out of jobs of any sort because of matters in their private lives, because not everyone's personal behaviour goes along with some sort of perceived norm. But the situation with Max Mosley has got completely out of hand and I'm not sure the FIA delegates realise what damage this is doing to the general motorsport 'brand'. Like it or not, the first thing most non-motorsport fans will think whenever they hear the name Max Mosley being mentioned will not be whatever he's done in the job, but 'That's the bloke who was in that video with the Nazi prostitutes'. Sometimes, it becomes impossible for public figures to carry on in these circumstances, and the best course of action is to step aside quietly.
My view that he should now go is based largely upon the ridiculous remarks he made towards the German car manufacturers who called for his resignation, not the original story. Personally, I don't believe in the 'Nazi' element of the story one bit. It's too perfect a fit, given his family heritage. If it can be proved in some way that this element of the story has in some way been concocted, then I will feel he has been rather hard done by. But taking legal action is potentially extremely risky for Mosley. As stated on here by various people, the News of the World must have known about some sort of sexual preferences on his part in order to carry out the sting. These are bound to come out in court.
One final thought. It is said that we live today in generally more liberal times, in which we care less about what everyone gets up to in the privacy of their own homes (or those of others), so long as it doesn't have wider adverse effects. However, when a case like this comes up, we see exactly the opposite — the view that this sort of behaviour is appalling, enough to cost someone their job, etc, etc. If the 'Nazi' bit is true, then I would agree with this. But I don't think it is. If it turns out to have been manufactured for the 'benefit' of the story, then would anyone on here who thinks Mosley should go because of what he got up to change their mind?
I think the 'laughing stock' thing is probably most important here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
By the way, I hate to bring this up, but I would like to ask whether some people commenting in favour of Mosley would be so tolerant of this behaviour if, say, Ron Dennis had been caught doing something similar?
I agree, none. However, again I must sound a note of caution, in that the fact he's in this position may not be entirely fair. But you are right in saying that he clearly has some difficult personal 'issues' that he ought to sort out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
He will maintain his policy of not paying "protection money", or do "favors" for the Anglo-Mob! :beer:Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on