Renault investigated by FIA !

Sounds fishy. Who uses "old style" floppy disks this day and age??? Would they have enough storage capacity for those drawings?

Well well.
They aren't doing the same mistakes as RD did.
But I don't know if their stance would be the same if there wouldn't already have been the McLaren case with it's outcome.

I feel that a punishment should be handed out. How harsh that will be? Who knows.

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Originally Posted by Wilderness

Sounds fishy. Who uses "old style" floppy disks this day and age??? Would they have enough storage capacity for those drawings?

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Old style - as in 1.44MB, and they had detailed tech drawings on them. Perhaps these disks were formatted with the TARDIS file format...... :laugh: Renault loaded those drawings onto their systems?

And they took ages to fathom out why they were so slow.........?! ;)

I'd suspend Mackereth too for not being too technically savvy...

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Originally Posted by Wilderness

Sounds fishy. Who uses "old style" floppy disks this day and age???

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It seems that McLaren do! :D
Maybe that's why he needed to ask for them to be loaded on his Renault directory, cause they didn't had any suitable drive!

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Originally Posted by Wilderness

Would they have enough storage capacity for those drawings?

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For the systems described (fuel tank layout, damper systems) it is easily possible.
Very easy if it's 2D, and fairly easy if it was 3D, and even if it was an assembly of several 3D parts.

One simple part (simple shapes, without use of complicated math equation to describe curves and surfaces) designed with ProEngineer with shades, highlights and colors added would need a few tenths of KBs. A more complicated part would go up to 100 or 200 KBs.

So the answer is yes it was possible to have all that info on 3, 1.44 MB floppy disks.

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Originally Posted by ioan

One simple part (simple shapes, without use of complicated math equation to describe curves and surfaces) designed with ProEngineer with shades, highlights and colors added would need a few tenths of KBs. A more complicated part would go up to 100 or 200 KBs.

So the answer is yes it was possible to have all that info on 3, 1.44 MB floppy disks.

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That's very dissapointing. With the budgets these guys spend on design etc, and the technical minutae they go into, I would at least have expected a few Gigs of multilayered drawings. Oh well, it's not all true what you see on the big screen I guess..... ;)

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Originally Posted by Wilderness

I'd suspend Mackereth too for not being too technically savy...

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Honestly, after seeing the mess these F1 engineers got themselves trying to do some data traffic, I strongly believe that they do not now to much about how to cheat an informatics system.

To "take home" 3 x 1.44 MB of classified data there is really no need to copy it onto floppies.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

That's very dissapointing. With the budgets these guys spend on design etc, and the technical minutae they go into, I would at least have expected a few Gigs of multilayered drawings. Oh well, it's not all true what you see on the big screen I guess..... ;)

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Don't fool yourself, results of FEM or FD simulations or optimizations for simpler (from a design point of view) parts do need many gigabytes for storage.

One question unanswered. Who authorized the up loading onto Renault's system? That person is not named in FB's response. Just who and how senior was this person? Ooops, that is really 3 questions.

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Originally Posted by passmeatissue

The offset on the fine is to stop the penalty being $150m. McLaren have $100m less than they would have had, that is the punishment.

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The problem with that being the FIA cannot dictate what Bernie/FOM pays out, so its easy to assume that the combined fine plus resulting payout Mcleran lost would = 100, however there is nothing stopping Bernie from taking Ron into a back room and saying "you guys did I fine job, I think you still deserve the 2nd place prize money, there you go old chap"

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Originally Posted by passmeatissue

Ferrari asked the Italian prosecutor for permission to use the phone message data, and they refused. Ferrari used it anyway, and McLaren are now suing them in Italy for illegal use of that data.

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This is by far the most idoitic thing I've read on here in days!!! Sue Ferrari for using the data the police uncovered? use it for what? stand up comedy? what could Ferrari have any use of that information? it may have been passed on to the FIA who then used it against McLeran BUT Fererri used it too? Maybe ALonso passed on a secret Mcleran recipe for brownies that Ferrari used at a formula 1 bake sale?

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There is no chance that Renault did not use illegal McLaren data. Also it seems Flav did not tell them, they found out from an engineer they recruited from Renault. And it is serious, F1-Live is saying "One insider told The Independent newspaper: "The amount and depth of the information (found at Renault) makes 'Stepneygate' look like a walk in the park."

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We now have conflicting reports on this, renault said, and in enough detail that if they are proven right, would suggest the possibility of the macs still using mass dampers and other funny gadgets also deemed illegal, all found on 3 floppies disks. And then we have another story claiming this is much worse the what the Macs had on Ferrari...

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Originally Posted by passmeatissue

So hopefully the hysteria whipped up by Ferrari and Max about the comparatively trivial goings on in McLaren will be brought into a more sensible perspective.

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Renault could be in deep trouble, unless Max fudges it for them. In that case, Max could be in deep trouble.

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And if the evidence proves Renault acted correctly on this matter? As I suggested earlier, should this prove to be nothing more then McLeran attempting to regain some dignity after the steyney-gate then I hope FIA has a couple more books they can throw at them...