Fuel issue- No penalty for BMW/Williams- McLaren to appeal

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22nd October 2007, 00:51
K-Pu

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Originally Posted by ICKE

-Raikkonen title confirmed

Eurosport | Sun, Oct 21, 23:40 Kimi Raikkonen's world championship title for Ferrari is confirmed as there will be no penalty for BMW Sauber and Williams for fuel irregularities, meaning McLaren driver Lewis Hamilton cannot overtake him on points.

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Done and dusted...

If that´s true, then sit back and relax, the season is over...

But if Hamilton goes to the stewards, crying in despair, claiming that others have cheated and received an illegal advantage... Wouldn´t it be like a deja-vu?

Anyway, if someone breaks the rules, that one should be penalised. If Williams and BMW have done something illegal, they should be waiting for the punishment.

BUT:

FIA is not the best example of justice, and Hamilton is not the most adequate person to speak about "doing illegal things". Tomorrow will be another day, and I hope no one will be talking about modifying the WDC again, just because I´m fed up with this season. Everything has been decided out of the track, and the one who is not cheating is waiting for the right time to do it. Or at least that´s what it looks like...
22nd October 2007, 00:59
Ari

Kimi is WDC after fuel fiasco. No penalty for BMW/Williams!

Raikkonen title confirmed

Kimi Raikkonen's world championship title for Ferrari has been confirmed as there will be no penalty for BMW Sauber and Williams for fuel irregularities.

That means McLaren driver Lewis Hamilton, who finished in seventh, cannot overtake the Finn on points.

Had Williams' Nico Rosberg, fourth in the race, and BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld behind him been disqualified for fuel temperature irregularities, the British rookie, only 22, would have been awarded the drivers' championship.

All three cars had cooler fuel temperatures than officially permitted, meaning that they had an unfair advantage in terms of how much they could take on and how quickly it could be transferred.

After a meeting between race stewards and representatives from the offending teams however it was decided that no sanctions would be taken against the drivers' places in the finishing order.

Hamilton suffered a poor start to the race then had gearbox problems on lap eight that left him adrift. He fought back valiantly but could not make it as far as sixth, which would have given him the title.

Raikkonen beat Hamilton and his Spanish team-mate Fernando Alonso by a solitary point overall after winning the race at Interlagos. Alonso ended it in third position.

http://eurosport.yahoo.com/21102007/...confirmed.html

Still waiting for confirmation from Autosport however.
22nd October 2007, 01:01
mstillhere

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Originally Posted by Tshbez

I don't think anything will become of this - investigations are nothing if they find nothing and nothing has necessarily been found. But if the BMW and Williams drivers are disqualified and Hamilton gets the champion, then it won't be hollow in my opinion. Hamilton was in a position where 5th place was good enough for the championship....and he was in that position due to the points he deservedly got from the previous races. If the two BMWs and Williams were found to be racing with an illegal advantage and they are not deemed to be deserving of their places then so be it - Hamilton would get 4th which is enough for the title to go to him, simple as. Its no different to the BMW and Williams drivers retiring on the final lap..they get no points either way. I have to say though, this world championship would be one to forget if this unlikely event occured...roll on next year.

So McLaren's drivers loose not points after the spying case. And you are ok with it. But for those 3 pilots should loose their points for something that's way less serious than spying another team secrets. And that's ok with you too.
Now you are not trying to convince anybody here that actually your way of thinking makes sense, right?
22nd October 2007, 01:05
Ari

BMW, Williams unpunished; results confirmed

By Jonathan Noble Sunday, October 21st 2007, 23:05 GMT

BMW Sauber and Williams will not be penalised despite discrepancies in their fuel sample temperatures during the Brazilian Grand Prix, the race stewards said.

Fuel samples taken from both cars of both teams during their pitstops in Sunday's race showed temperature degrees outside the permitted variation.

Article 6.5.5 of the Formula One technical regulations states: "No fuel on board the car may be more than ten degrees centigrade below ambient temperature."

FIA technical delegate Jo Bauer said all fuel samples from the four cars showed temperature of 12 to 14 degrees centigrate lower than the ambient temperature at the time.

However, after deliberations at Interlagos, the race stewards decided not to penalise the teams, confirming the race results of the Brazilian Grand Prix as official.

This means Kimi Raikkonen is confirmed as the 2007 world champion.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63567
22nd October 2007, 01:08
mstillhere

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Originally Posted by tinchote

Should rules be enforced or not? In any case, what do you exactly complain about?

Hi there,
I find your question puzzling. Rules? What rules? The FIA rules, otherwise called "guidelines" or rules like you would have in any other sport where the "interpretation" of the rules is not part of the equation?
22nd October 2007, 01:10
mstillhere

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Originally Posted by V12

I've never really been one to buy into FIA conspiracy theories...until now....

WELCOME....WE WERE WAITING FOR YOU.......
22nd October 2007, 01:16
Valve Bounce

Good result all round. However, I reckon that both Williams and BMW should get fined for the infraction.
22nd October 2007, 01:16
tinchote

Quote:

Originally Posted by mstillhere

Hi there,
I find your question puzzling. Rules? What rules? The FIA rules, otherwise called "guidelines" or rules like you would have in any other sport where the "interpretation" of the rules is not part of the equation?

You gotta be kidding. F1 is probably one of the sports where most regulations are issued and tested. And there are lots of things that are tested at every session of every race.

And you keep confusing "the race-stewards", the "race-director", and the FIA. These people attend to different things at different levels, so to put all in the same bag and talk as if nothing is done ever (and/or there is a conspiracy), is simply silly.
22nd October 2007, 01:18
ClarkFan

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Originally Posted by pino

It's official now that 3 cars had fuel-temp between 2 and 4 degrees below the limit permitted...

OK, count me amont the officially baffled - how does a car end up with elements in the fuel system 14 degrees C (a pretty substantial amount) below the ambient temperature? :confused: Even if the fuel in the rig were chilled, wouldn't it tend to return to ambient temperature? And if a team was trying to increase density by chilling fuel (using what - party ice from the hospitality trailer?), wouldn't they be pretty careful to limit the chill to 10 degrees?

If is even more curious that two different teams are affected. What is going on here?

ClarkFan

P.S. And while scrutineers must inspect cars, settling this championship weeks later in an FIA appeals court will mar the result, no matter what the result. With the McLaren DQ from the constructors championship, 2007 looks like it will be remembered as a tainted season. :(
22nd October 2007, 01:46
Mikeall

Stewards are just doing their job. Fairytale endings are for fairytales. This is real...

Anyway it seems the FOM ambient temperature was wrong when compared with meteorologists measurement of the ambient temperature. The stewards also do not have any means of finding out the temperature of fuel when fuel was in the car making the rule unenforceable...

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