The Crane and Lewis

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

just missing that safety car

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Both Liuzzi and Maylander were very lucky that Maylander somehow saw him coming and got out the way just in time :eek:

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Originally Posted by ioan

The safety car was on track when Liuzzi hit the crane that was going to save Hamilton from the gravel trap, so I can't understand how is that the SC was not deployed when Hamilton was lifted back on track? :rolleyes:

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The SC entered the track on lap 3; but it wasn't until Winkelhock passed lap 4 when he came behind (and the rest of the cars too).

But the point was if the crane entered the gravel trap before the SC signal appeared, and it's clear on this video, it entered prior to the SC signal, just a couple of seconds after Button crashed, and just when Hamilton was stopping his run, as it can be seen on this video (at 5 minutes, 0 seconds):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcMqdIPzf9A

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

A very good question too, as I understand Liuzzi had just exited the pit (according the commentary)

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An even better question is how he could leave the pit, if according to the rules, pit lane is closed as the SC is deployed.

3:40 "Winkelhock in the rain, a sensational tenth ! " :rotflmao:

ORF commenting is crap, I'm glad I don't have them on my watch list :D

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Originally Posted by andreag

The SC entered the track on lap 3; but it wasn't until Winkelhock passed lap 4 when he came behind (and the rest of the cars too).

But the point was if the crane entered the gravel trap before the SC signal appeared, and it's clear on this video, it entered prior to the SC signal, just a couple of seconds after Button crashed, and just when Hamilton was stopping his run, as it can be seen on this video (at 5 minutes, 0 seconds):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcMqdIPzf9A

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Safety car was barely moving at 6:00 in that video and began moving after a car had accelerated from the edge of turn 1, whose car was that?
Hamilton's?

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

3:40 "Winkelhock in the rain, a sensational tenth ! " :rotflmao:

ORF commenting is crap, I'm glad I don't have them on my watch list :D

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You tell me?!
Hans Prüller has troubles to make a difference between an overtaken car and the overtaker.
I miss the times when I was watching F1 on the Italian television, it was far better than what I get now.

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Originally Posted by janneppi

Safety car was barely moving at 6:00 in that video and began moving after a car had accelerated from the edge of turn 1, whose car was that?
Hamilton's?

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No, Liuzzi. Who incredibly was leaving the pit lane when the SC was on the track (not only the SC signal), and it's supposedly close. Of course he couldn't continue (the crane didn't help him), and the 10 seconds penalty coudn't be applied, but no sign of this appeared

There are some issues that we need to watch in this situation,

The only reason for Hamilton to keep his engine running it was:

-Not damaging the car by going to the gravel
-Very early stage in the race, lap 4 or so, with the new safety car rule of unlapping himself and with the rocket that Macca is, he could even fight for points.

-So, for him it was worthy to keep racing.

but the fundamental thing here it is, if the Safety car rules were still the same
as last year's rules, and Hamilton was still helped to keep on racing by the crane, could McLaren could stop racing without a mechanical failure with the only motive of "not having a real reason to fight in this race", can a team do that, stop because they have nothing to fight for in a race anymore, or is it illegal??

I remember Honda did it in Australia 2005, both Honda cars were out of the points and they called them to the pits to retire motivated by the recent engine rule changes of one engine for two weekends recently applied back in 2005.

I'm getting messy, did anybody understand me?

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by andreag

No, Liuzzi. Who incredibly was leaving the pit lane when the SC was on the track (not only the SC signal), and it's supposedly close. Of course he couldn't continue (the crane didn't help him), and the 10 seconds penalty coudn't be applied, but no sign of this appeared

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I don't mean liuzzi, who flew into the crane :)
But the car that accelerated from corner 1 just as SC was entering it.
at 6:01 we see SC slowing to an almost halt, at 6:06 we see two F1 cars and the SC, Liuzzi is flying from right to left and one F1 car is accelerating from the corner.
Is that Hamilton or possibly one of the Williamses?

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Originally Posted by janneppi

I don't mean liuzzi, who flew into the crane :)
But the car that accelerated from corner 1 just as SC was entering it.
at 6:01 we see SC slowing to an almost halt, at 6:06 we see two F1 cars and the SC, Liuzzi is flying from right to left and one F1 car is accelerating from the corner.
Is that Hamilton or possibly one of the Williamses?

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I see; it was Davidson, who nearly reached the gravel when he spun off, stopping just in the border; he could restart unaided, and he was just leaving the dangerous line when the SC has to accelerate to avoid Liuzzi's hit from behind.