Ferrari/McLaren Espionage Story [merged]

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Originally Posted by ioan

don't worry for me! :D
I'll sit and wait patiently. :p :

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For once I give you the :up: ! :D

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Originally Posted by eu

i was right about this one... there's already a thread going on where people start punishing McLaren really hard because they've stolen a ferrari and painted like a mirror

I know what McLaren took from ferrari... vodafone... OMG

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Yrah!! but Ferrari forgot to remove the all important sim card, and all teh information was stored on the sim card. I know because I read all about this in today's newspaper - there were pages of this about sim cards.

Oh yes!! then there is the laptop. That will provide a fountain of information from the e-mails alone, not to mention the guff that guys have posted in this forum.

I'm just wondering at what stage this thread will link this guy to the silly buggers who drove the jeep through the glasgow airport glass door. They must be working real hard on those sim cards. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

They should round up all the McLaren cars, and burn them under a cross by men wearing pointed head caps and hoods. That'll teach anyone who wants to engage in espionage in the future to beat the red cars.

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I've been saying Ron Dennis is the devil for years! But would anybody listen to me? :D

I somehow think that the 19000rpm rev-limiter would have a greater effect on McLaren's reliability than an unknown component which we all seem to be jumping up and down about!

Don't worry about Mc Laren stealing Vodafone, soon the McLarens will be leaving Europe again and so will be out of the coverage area, so probably won't work until getting back to Europe ;)

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Originally Posted by MrPonx

that's why I said if it was proven to be true...

since 1999 McLaren haven't had a half year with 100% reliability, and that makes you think

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You can't be so sure about that, I may be an exception.

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The McLaren engineer at the centre of the espionage saga that has rocked Formula 1 is believed to be the team’s erstwhile chief designer Mike Coughlan.


McLaren announced on Tuesday that it had suspended a senior member of its technical staff after learning that he had received classified information from a Ferrari employee at the end of April.


The Woking squad did not identify the individual, but reports in the British and Italian media have named Coughlan, who worked closely with Nigel Stepney at Benetton and Ferrari in the 1990s.
Stepney, a longstanding Ferrari employee, is currently being investigated by the public prosecution office in Modena, Italy, after the Maranello team lodged a formal complaint last month.
On Tuesday morning Ferrari announced that it had dismissed Stepney after conducting its own internal inquiry into his actions.


The team later confirmed that it instigated legal action in England against the McLaren engineer and obtained a warrant for a search of his property.
That evidence came to light after a police search of Coughlan’s house uncovered documents allegedly belonging to Ferrari.


In a statement issued on Tuesday evening, the Italian team said: “Ferrari announces it has recently presented a case against Nigel Stepney and an engineer from the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team with the Modena Tribunal, concerning the theft of technical information.
“Furthermore, legal action has been instigated in England and a search warrant has been issued concerning the engineer. This produced a positive outcome.


“Ferrari reserves the right to consider all implications, be they criminal, civil or of any other nature, according to the applicable laws.”


Stepney, who is on holiday in the Philippines, has maintained his innocence and claims that he is the victim of a dirty tricks campaign.

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http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=39889

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Originally Posted by Malllen

I somehow think that the 19000rpm rev-limiter would have a greater effect on McLaren's reliability than an unknown component which we all seem to be jumping up and down about!

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Agreed.
However this will cast a lot of doubt on the McLaren team, after all it's their chief designer we are talking about.

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Originally Posted by Mickey T

been around motorsport for a while, have you?

don't be so innocent. what do you think this is?

put the dummy back in before ioan reads your post and hits the rev limiter.

the really curious thing is that very little raw data is applicable to non-source teams anyway.

apart from the teams sharing a major component or two (eg, toyota and williams, honda and aguri, renault and RBR) nobody uses common parts, so there's no baseline. none of it makes any sense on any car other than the one the data is gleaned from.

even aero is not immune. first, you need to have a good, pure chassis setup. then you need aero that works WITH that setup.

but - and here's the fun bit - it only works with THAT setup.

you can take ideas and reapply them to your own chassis, your own braking system, your own heat loads, your own lubricant viscosity, your own carbon shear rate etc.

but it's not like touring cars or F3 or GP2 where these things are directly applicable.

Even tyre info spying is so common that all the team spies talk to each other to make sure they've noted the right specifications etc.

please come down off the high horse.

Has McLaren benefited? maybe. did McLaren know approximately? Maybe. did McLaren know exactly? seriously doubt it.

and you could ask and receive the same answers for every team on the grid.

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So that makes it all OK?????