Fox Hunting - Right or Wrong?

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10th May 2007, 07:37
ShiftingGears

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Originally Posted by pino

This thread is about Fox Hunting...not about how members are acting in here ! Too many personal attacks have been posted in this thread, it has to stop right now ! Thank You...

But pointing out the hypocrisy in ones argument is part of arguing your own view on any topic, in this instance fox hunting - thats just how you argue!
10th May 2007, 07:51
ShiftingGears

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Originally Posted by Eki

Because they aren't ready to pay more for your brother to protect his livelihood or cover his potential losses because of the foxes.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Do foxes kill sheep?

Building is not necessary. High enough electrified fence that also goes deep enough so that a fox can't dig its way through is enough.

You're complaining about killing foxes and then you suggest an electric fence?

What you suggested with the electric fence is a lot more expensive, and no more "ethical". Why would people pay more for livestock protected by an electrified fence?

I don't agree with fox hunting as a sport though. But if the farmers need to protect their livestock, they should be allowed to.
10th May 2007, 08:08
Eki

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

You're complaining about killing foxes and then you suggest an electric fence?

What you suggested with the electric fence is a lot more expensive, and no more "ethical". Why would people pay more for livestock protected by an electrified fence?

I don't agree with fox hunting as a sport though. But if the farmers need to protect their livestock, they should be allowed to.

Electric fences don't kill or permanently injure animals.
10th May 2007, 08:21
raphael123

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

Foxes aren't an endangered species and my brother IS trying to make a living.

If people want to hunt foxes for pleasure then they should be able to make the moral decision whether it is wrong or not for themselves. :rolleyes: Not someone in Westminster. By taking away that decision you are taking away their human rights.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. You think inflicting cruelty on an animal for one's pleasure is acceptable. I think inflicting cruelty on an animal for one's own personal pleasure is wrong.

People who torture dogs and cats, and kill them, which we always hear about from the RSPCA, do you think that's acceptable as well?

If your talking about killing foxes who try to kill your animals, fair enough, shoot them when they come near. I can fully understand that. However, if your going out for a day in the forest or the countryside, and looking to go inflict pain on a fox, and eventually death, because you think it's fun...then no, I don't think that's acceptable.
10th May 2007, 08:27
raphael123

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Originally Posted by Eki

Electric fences don't kill or permanently injure animals.

Why do you need an electrical fence anyway?

Why not have an agricultural building or something? If the purpose is to protect the live stock.
10th May 2007, 09:55
Brown, Jon Brow

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Originally Posted by raphael123

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. You think inflicting cruelty on an animal for one's pleasure is acceptable. I think inflicting cruelty on an animal for one's own personal pleasure is wrong.
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I didn't say that.

I would never take part in Fox hunting, but if other people want to hunt then they should make the moral decision themselves.

I don't think that you can compare hunting wild animals with torture to domestic pets.
10th May 2007, 10:04
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by raphael123

People who torture dogs and cats, and kill them, which we always hear about from the RSPCA, do you think that's acceptable as well?

Remember, it's not about the cruelty. It's about the sport. ;)

Fox hunting couldn't have been a proper sport, because I never saw it on Grandstand.
10th May 2007, 10:13
raphael123

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

I didn't say that.

I would never take part in Fox hunting, but if other people want to hunt then they should make the moral decision themselves.

I don't think that you can compare hunting wild animals with torture to domestic pets.

So the individual should start making moral decisions themselves? That's a bit of a cop out. Should the individual start making moral decisions on other things too then, maybe such as whether domestic abuse is acceptable? :dozey:

What about horses then? Someone who inflicts cruelty on a horse for their own pleasure. Should we leave that up to the individual and their conscious to decide if its right or wrong?

What about stray dogs, should we let the individual decide if its right or wrong to inflict cruelty on it for a bit of 'fun'?

If it was hunting for food, or protecting your lively hood, I can perfectly understand the reason. Killing and inflicting pain and cruelty on an animal for fun though....sorry, I think that's wrong. Do you think it's wrong? Yes or no?
10th May 2007, 10:17
Daniel

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

Foxes aren't an endangered species and my brother IS trying to make a living.

If people want to hunt foxes for pleasure then they should be able to make the moral decision whether it is wrong or not for themselves. :rolleyes: Not someone in Westminster. By taking away that decision you are taking away their human rights.

Ok Jon,

I'll decide to hunt YOU! Now don't YOU decide what I can and can't do.

Is that alright? :laugh:
10th May 2007, 10:28
raphael123

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Ok Jon,

I'll decide to hunt YOU! Now don't YOU decide what I can and can't do.

Is that alright? :laugh:

lol :up:

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