Where is the UK headed?

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Originally Posted by Mark

There was a story today about an electrician in Glasgow made redundant but then told he needed to go back to the same company and basically do his old job in order to receive job seekers allowance.

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It was appalling. This is what this government wants, despite its claims to desire 'social mobility' and the like. Same old Tories, with an emasculated coalition party toeing the line.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

What a surprise that those expressing right-wing opinions in this thread should either be (a) inarticulate or (b) American.

It is striking how spectacularly ignorant Americans are whenever they come to (try to) discuss matters relating to a country that's not their own, whereas others' opinions of America are generally far more informed.

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At least one of those Europeans expressing opinions on American matters generally have shown themselves ignorant across the board. Perhaps they should take the personal insults and insert them in the same orifice where their head resides.

Everyone is permitted to give their opinion here and should not be derided for doing so. Unless they disagree with me of course :D

Really? :p

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Not able to comment on the details of England's system but we know they "the financial sector" has never been more entrenched, and more profitable than in recent years....In that respect England mimics America...
And as an example of what you say above we just voted in mid-term elections.
2 of the things we had to vote on were to float bonds to pay for the local school system---because for 3 years our REPUBLICAN controlled State legislature has been "unable" to write a budget to allocate funds which by law they must--and are in fact been judged in contempt of the Supreme Court of the State..

3 years..no mandatory budget for schools...

But it took these lackeys just 3 days to put together and pass a $9,000,000,000 tax "deferal"---a gift---for Boeing (who has nearly abandoned manufactring things in this state (sure they still assemble aircraft....but they don't MAKE a lot of the things they assemble here)

Boeing CEO somehow has to struggle along on just:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...soars/6425487/


And pooor ol Boeing is really in need of that 9 billion tax break:


But really I shouldn't complain, giving Boeing a 9 billion dollar break only costs each man, woman and child in this state just $1304....chicken feed to the CEO

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how did you vote on 591 and 594 ??

'New EU members add £5bn to UK says research'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29910497

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

'New EU members add £5bn to UK says research'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29910497

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That's only a certain portion of the immigrants, using the select portion they call the European Economic Area.

From the same link:

"The study also said immigrants from the wider European Economic Area - the European Union plus Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein - had made a positive financial contribution to the UK.

It found that:

EEA immigrants had made a fiscal contribution of £4.4bn between 1995 and 2011, non-EEA immigrants had made a negative net contribution of £118bn, and British people had made a negative net contribution of £591bn

More recently, between 2001 and 2011, European arrivals contributed £20bn and those from outside Europe £5bn

Immigrants who arrived since 2000 were 43% less likely than British people to receive state benefits or tax credits, and 7% less likely to live in social housing"


That demographic might have trouble fitting in, as they are contributing, where the immigrants from other countries and the British people have negative contributions. Maybe the best way to fix the UK is to kick the British out? :)

IMO none of the numbers help much without breaking it down to per year, per capita type format.

The media have been rerunning the UCL figures saying that immigrants from EU countries have made a net contribution to the UKs economy .
But as these figures came from exactly the same "Academics " who predicted that there would only be about 13000 Poles come here to work when Poland joined the EU , it is not surprising that the figures are disputed .

But this time even the BBC admitted the that the total cost to the country of all immigration was over £120 Billion .

So , although the loony left will no doubt still try to claim that immigration is good , Labour,s plan to fill the place up with immigrants has cost every man , woman & child here over £2000 so far & is still rising .

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Originally Posted by Tel 911S

But this time even the BBC admitted the that the total cost to the country of all immigration was over £120 Billion .
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I don't get this. Immigrants work so they pay taxes and insurance fees to get benefits.

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Originally Posted by Tel 911S

The media have been rerunning the UCL figures saying that immigrants from EU countries have made a net contribution to the UKs economy .
But as these figures came from exactly the same "Academics " who predicted that there would only be about 13000 Poles come here to work when Poland joined the EU , it is not surprising that the figures are disputed .

But this time even the BBC admitted the that the total cost to the country of all immigration was over £120 Billion .

So , although the loony left will no doubt still try to claim that immigration is good , Labour,s plan to fill the place up with immigrants has cost every man , woman & child here over £2000 so far & is still rising .

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What has it got to do with the 'looney left'? Surely free movement of people as a part of a free market should be a trait of the economic right?

It's a shame that the data totally contradicts your noise.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...fects2_464.gif


But then again the BBC didn't report on this fella:

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/...a3&oe=54E82272