Boston Marathon Terrorist Attack

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I can say with much certainty that the reaction in the vast majority of European countries would have been much less 'gung-ho'. I think we're less impressed by violence, even if the ends justify the means.

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I just think you misunderstand the celebration. This duo killed and maimed people. The police tried to apprehend them peacefully. The bombers responded by throwing explosives out the window of a car stolen at gunpoint (after they killed a cop sitting in his police car), and opened fire on police with bombs strapped to their chests. Only 1 died in the ensuing gun battle, and some of his wounds were self-inflicted.

The survivor responded by driving over his dying brother to break through a police barricade (which endangered the police again). They shut down an entire city--think of the GDP lost that day--in order to protect the citizens, and managed to find and apprehend the 2nd guy without further loss of life.

The authorities gave his safety far more consideration than he gave the people of Boston.

The police are trying to END violence. The police and citizens were celebrating the END of violence. The decent people of this (and other countries) applaud the END of violence, not the violence itself.

Time and again, this country gets criticized by other countries because we deplore the human rights violations (and violence) others inflict upon their own people and we actually try to help them, you know, with our taxpayer dollars and the sacrifice of U.S. lives.

One can fuss over legal process all they want....however, there are cases where there is no question that someone did the crime and the only real issue is how they should be punished.

Obviously these two guys were not right in the head. The older brother probably led the younger brother down the wrong road. The news has just come out that the older brother had a wife and a three year old child. He appearently visited her on the weekend, but lived with his brother when not in this country. The news first showed her photos as being his girlfriend, but now they blur her face. That information was probably hidden to prevent the kind of savage internent attack and so forth that has happenned to several other people --- pretty pitiful stuff (example is one missing student Sunil Tripathy and the attack on the family).

Everyone who knew them in this country seems to be very stunned that they would have done such a thing. Poeple can come up with all sorts of armchair thoughts and opinions....even the PhD types, but I think none of them have a clue as to what really goes on in the mind of these types of people. They just have great ex posto facto explanations that sound good, but are worthless as to predicting anyone's future behavior.


Even now, the news is full of stuff about the FBI contacting the brother at the request of a foreign government and why they let him go without being tracked and watched. Well, this is suppose to be a free country and we just do not jail people because we think they might do something at some future time. Obviously, there are not the resources to track everyone who just might be a little strange and just might do something violent at some future date several years down the road.

Besides, that "why did the FBI not watch him" mentality is typical blame someone other than the criminal and hold someone else responsible and shift the blame to them.

I hope taking him alive provides more useful information about who else might be involved. Even now the news is discussing that he was not read his rights, and all these protections of providing him with a lawyer and appearance before a judge are not being utilized in hopes of getting more information about the others. While that information would not be admisible in a court proceeding against him, it would be against the others. Even if it was gotten as a result of abusive behavior or even torture, according to one recent Supreme Court opinion.

Besides, they don't need it as to him. The brothers were bragging about what they did in the bombings and shooting the police officer to the driver of the SUV that they carjacked. That bragging is admissible.

But at some point, the death penalty should be applied to him and carried out swiftly. No point in letting someone like that continue to breath, and so I agree with his uncle.


And if he is metally ill, all the more reason to be rid of him, since he can never be trusted again not to do something bad again.

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Am I the only one that finds images of cheering and mass celebrations in the streets profoundly disturbing?

Four people are dead. 25+ people are now amputees. A "lovely kid" 19-year old university student was one of the perpetrators, and no one knows why.

It is no cause for celebration, it's a ****ing tragedy. That's what it is.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

I just think you misunderstand the celebration. This duo killed and maimed people. The police tried to apprehend them peacefully. The bombers responded by throwing explosives out the window of a car stolen at gunpoint (after they killed a cop sitting in his police car), and opened fire on police with bombs strapped to their chests. Only 1 died in the ensuing gun battle, and some of his wounds were self-inflicted.

The survivor responded by driving over his dying brother to break through a police barricade (which endangered the police again). They shut down an entire city--think of the GDP lost that day--in order to protect the citizens, and managed to find and apprehend the 2nd guy without further loss of life.

The authorities gave his safety far more consideration than he gave the people of Boston.

The police are trying to END violence. The police and citizens were celebrating the END of violence. The decent people of this (and other countries) applaud the END of violence, not the violence itself.

Time and again, this country gets criticized by other countries because we deplore the human rights violations (and violence) others inflict upon their own people and we actually try to help them, you know, with our taxpayer dollars and the sacrifice of U.S. lives.

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But take Norway and Anders Breivik. The authorities gave him access to full legal provision, conducted full legal process, and generally treated him as they would any other suspect. This is exactly how it should be. One of the main reasons I'm glad to live in a democracy is because we behave better in this regard than do countries less democratic in nature. I like to think countries such as Britain and America have nothing to learn from the likes of Saudi Arabia when it comes to dispensing justice.

And I resent deeply the notion that decent people, as you put it, would find anything to celebrate in these events. It's a distasteful spectacle.

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Originally Posted by Ranger

Am I the only one that finds images of cheering and mass celebrations in the streets profoundly disturbing?

Four people are dead. 25+ people are now amputees. A "lovely kid" 19-year old university student was one of the perpetrators, and no one knows why.

It is no cause for celebration, it's a ****ing tragedy. That's what it is.

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Exactly right. By all means praise the authorities for a job well done, but don't treat it as an excuse to party.

There is a difference between sense of relief and dancing in the streets, and this went a little too far.

On the other hand, much as in Texas, I can not recall so many politicans showing up with canned speeches consisting of mostly non-participants patting themselves on the back introducing themselves and repeating themselves with largely meaningless platitudes, including someone from the US Attorney's office (who would be the prosecuter after he was caught but otherwise had nothing to do with anything in the manhunt except show some face at pressers). One was enough, but almost a dozen??

hell, in Texas, Ricky Perry did not even bother to show up at the scene when not letting his face in the news opportunity go to waste.


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on the other hand, if it makes people feel better well, with the politicans leading the way....whatever.................

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Originally Posted by Ranger

http://images.smh.com.au/2013/04/20/...pl-620x349.jpg

Am I the only one that finds images of cheering and mass celebrations in the streets profoundly disturbing?

Four people are dead. 25+ people are now amputees. A "lovely kid" 19-year old university student was one of the perpetrators, and no one knows why.

It is no cause for celebration, it's a ****ing tragedy. That's what it is.

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No, I think you are in good company: there are perhaps several out there who are more than willing to confuse this, or spin this, in order to take the requisite weekly pot shots at the United States. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

No, I think you are in good company: there are perhaps several out there who are more than willing to confuse this, or spin this, in order to take the requisite weekly pot shots at the United States. :rolleyes:

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What confusion or spin is required? The evidence is there for all to see. I cannot think of another country where the reaction to such a situation coming to an end is flag-waving celebration. Did Norwegians party when Breivik was convicted? I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

What confusion or spin is required? The evidence is there for all to see. I cannot think of another country where the reaction to such a situation coming to an end is flag-waving celebration. Did Norwegians party when Breivik was convicted? I doubt it.

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No, but the leftys sure did whoop it up at Thatcher's death - look in the mirror my friend.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Obviously these two guys were not right in the head. The older brother probably led the younger brother down the wrong road. The news has just come out that the older brother had a wife and a three year old child. He appearently visited her on the weekend, but lived with his brother when not in this country. The news first showed her photos as being his girlfriend, but now they blur her face. That information was probably hidden to prevent the kind of savage internent attack and so forth that has happenned to several other people --- pretty pitiful stuff (example is one missing student Sunil Tripathy and the attack on the family).

Everyone who knew them in this country seems to be very stunned that they would have done such a thing. Poeple can come up with all sorts of armchair thoughts and opinions....even the PhD types, but I think none of them have a clue as to what really goes on in the mind of these types of people. They just have great ex posto facto explanations that sound good, but are worthless as to predicting anyone's future behavior.

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I'm coming to the conclusion that the radical, jihadist arm of Islam is nothing more than a cult and not a religion at all. Some may argue the point but the proof is pretty plain.