another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

I dont get this,these guys who are dissatisfied with their lot ,go into a school armed up to the hilt,even wearing body armour,with guns legally owned by his mother (And why does he mother need all the guns that she legally held ?),and shoot inocent children.I have to say they are crazy and they are cowards,but if you are not happy with your lot,why not jump under a train,but cowards dont do that do they?What about those 20 children who went to school to learn how to be educated,be with thier friends,and enjoy life,and the 40 parents that are now disraught at losing the children they have loved ,protected ,natured,and thought would outlive them ?All his victims were shot more than once,and six were teachers !We have again witnessed a sick individual,the same as we did in the UK at Dunblane,and I have been to the cemetary in Dunblane and can imagine the pain these parents went through.Lets all pray that these children in Connicticut did not die in vain

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Originally Posted by Roamy

well try the train bombing and BTW is an adult life better to take??

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You are complaining a terrorist attack to a psychopath shooting children in a school? And then you are surprised that we don't take you seriously.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

As I said many times before. The rights of the individual supersede those of the state. I have a moral right to be able to protect myself, my family and my property. Nothing as criminal and immoral as a government disarming the public will stop me from exercising that right.

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As we say: Hope dies last.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I think over here, knife crime is the big problem.

The road rage reference hit home, as it was just up the road from me here that Kenneth Noye stabbed a chap on the Swanley roundabout in such a moment of rage.

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Well, at least he didn't stab 27 people.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Agreed - I lay a big portion of the blame of fuelling that fear at the media.

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Don't forget the politicians, they are the main culprit who starts what the media writes/shows about.

For this saying the US should ban guns outright, that is a pure fantasy. Repealing an amendment is very difficult and in the current climate of the country, near impossible. It is just not going to happen. So rather than going over the right to guns debate here for the zillionth time, how about ideas that could really make a difference? Ideology arguments on this is not going to make any difference.

How about we invest money in schools to make them secure so that someone wearing armor and armed with guns is stopped before he gets into the building. My wife is a elementary school teacher and she says that secondary doors at her school that are supposed to be locked from the outside are routinely left open to make it easier for people to get around the buildings. There is a lot of blame to go around in this type of situation and I'm wondering if this was the case on how the gunman entered the school. It would take a substantial investment by governments to take the security steps needed for schools to be safer and education always seems to get the short end of the stick when it comes to funding.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Don't forget the politicians, they are the main culprit who starts what the media writes/shows about.

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I think recent events have shown sections of the media to be laws unto themselves, quite honestly. Perhaps more to blame are the consumers who lap it all up.

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Originally Posted by DBell

How about we invest money in schools to make them secure so that someone wearing armor and armed with guns is stopped before he gets into the building. My wife is a elementary school teacher and she says that secondary doors at her school that are supposed to be locked from the outside are routinely left open to make it easier for people to get around the buildings. There is a lot of blame to go around in this type of situation and I'm wondering if this was the case on how the gunman entered the school. It would take a substantial investment by governments to take the security steps needed for schools to be safer and education always seems to get the short end of the stick when it comes to funding.

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Consider this. Why on earth should such draconian steps ever be necessary? The notion of such security being required at European schools is laughable. Why? Because, despite isolated (far more so than in the US) tragic incidents, it is not called for. If it is in the US, you have a different problem than just school security, surely?

Your response is rather like suggesting that women should wear suits of armour to prevent rape.

Fine. Prattle on about your ideology about gun ownership and so forth as you wish. All it is is talk that won't make a bit of difference to the problem. I don't see why having a security checkpoint before you are able to enter a school is something laughable. Your comparison is certainly laughable. But hey, don't let me intrude on your debate about ideology and beliefs. It seems to be what many posters in this section live for.

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Originally Posted by DBell

Fine. Prattle on about your ideology about gun ownership and so forth as you wish. All it is is talk that won't make a bit of difference to the problem. I don't see why having a security checkpoint before you are able to enter a school is something laughable.

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And that would have stopped what would have happened yesterday, would it? Of course not, because the gunman would have shot the person at the security check. Schools are supposed to be nice places for children to be, not high-security fortresses. If you want to address the problem, stop madmen getting their hands on guns so depressingly often. There's your answer.

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Originally Posted by DBell

Your comparison is certainly laughable.

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No it's not. Your suggestion is absurdly draconian; so was mine.

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Originally Posted by DBell

But hey, don't let me intrude on your debate about ideology and beliefs. It seems to be what many posters in this section live for.

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Just because ideology and beliefs — which I thought were quite important to how we live our lives — may take you out of your depth doesn't make this true for all of us.