Same Sex Marriage

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

That's true.

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And moody.....

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

..... should be killed, so should adulterers

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I think it's still a great idea......

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

'Known' or 'renowned', not 'reknown'. You went to university — you ought to be able to know the difference.

I'm not sensitive about this — rather, I'm irritated by your stance on it, which (for the reasons I gave) I think is utterly ill-developed.

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Referring to grammatical errors is fairly below the belt in forum etiquette fella. As is your university jibe. You sound really bitter about the world!

I really don't care whether my opinions are "ill-developed" in your eyes, my opinions are my own and I will not force anybody to agree with me, never have done.

I'm quite spontaneous and therefore don't have the time or desire to research anything before relaying my opinion. I'll take the risk of being shot down happily.

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You may think your question is 'uncomfortable', but in reality it's just pointless and juvenile. Again, I ask, why do you care?

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Its not at all pointless and juvenile. The subject is usually covered in the media in this way, but I haven't approached in that way at all, and my feeling is that your outburst here is born from frustration at the casual references to it on TV etc - and you've tarred me with the same brush.

I appreciate the answers I've had from others so far. Speaking of juvenile, you keep repeating "why do you care?" - which is, ironically, coming across quite childish.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

At the moment the Church is confused and I think ill-advised with its meandering direction. Perhaps this is why people are losing faith with the Christian Faith.

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I think it's a natural reaction to progress, particularly scientific. There's not much religion in whatever form can do about that.

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Originally Posted by Bezza

Referring to grammatical errors is fairly below the belt in forum etiquette fella. As is your university jibe. You sound really bitter about the world!

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Not at all. Am I disappointed that someone should go through university and, afterwards, freely admit that they 'don't have the time or desire to research anything' before offering an opinion? Yes. Your studies strike me as having been of questionable value if they didn't leave you with a desire to look into things more deeply.

Anyway, in this instance, I still feel you're skirting around one issue in particular, one touched upon by others: that your view on the subject of same-sex marriage is probably based on an underlying homophobia. You seem to dress it up in religion, without apparently being especially religious yourself — why? What, exactly, is the basis of your view that same sex marriage is so desperately undesirable?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I think it's a natural reaction to progress, particularly scientific. There's not much religion in whatever form can do about that.

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From a scientific point of view you're right.
From a moral point of view I can't see any progress.
(OK, might be because of my dioptres...)
Anyway at this moment I'm afraid science can do nothing for my tormented soul.

Otherwise it's interesting that in my country whenever they make a poll about the institutions people have trust in, church is always on pole position.

Maybe because we ( meaning eastern people ) are a bit different....

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Not at all. Am I disappointed that someone should go through university and, afterwards, freely admit that they 'don't have the time or desire to research anything' before offering an opinion? Yes. Your studies strike me as having been of questionable value if they didn't leave you with a desire to look into things more deeply.

Anyway, in this instance, I still feel you're skirting around one issue in particular, one touched upon by others: that your view on the subject of same-sex marriage is probably based on an underlying homophobia. You seem to dress it up in religion, without apparently being especially religious yourself — why? What, exactly, is the basis of your view that same sex marriage is so desperately undesirable?

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Are you confusing opinion with facts?

What is the sole reason behind human existance? WHy was the act of copulation made to be so pleasurable - because no-one would bother and the species would not exist?

No-one actually knows the true answer to this. We don't actually, definately know how life begun.

We've gathered all the evidence and made some conclusions and assumptions.

There are still divided opinions on this. Until the killer piece of evidence is found that explains where it all began, it's still a best guess.

Now then, same sex partnerships. Not really going to keep the human race going if we were all same sex couples. It's nice to be different and all that, but you'd summise that the purpose behind men and women, ultimately, is to reproduce, with a bit of life expeience in between.

Does this mean that men and women are the norm?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

No-one actually knows the true answer to this. We don't actually, definately know how life begun.

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You're wrong. Some of our fellow forumers (pretend to) know, the others aren't interested

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Are you confusing opinion with facts?

What is the sole reason behind human existance? WHy was the act of copulation made to be so pleasurable - because no-one would bother and the species would not exist?

No-one actually knows the true answer to this. We don't actually, definately know how life begun.

We've gathered all the evidence and made some conclusions and assumptions.

There are still divided opinions on this. Until the killer piece of evidence is found that explains where it all began, it's still a best guess.

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None of this has the slightest bearing on the subject in hand, surely? It doesn't matter. Why should same-sex marriages be allowed? Not because of any abstract notions regarding the point of human existence, but because there is no good, practical reason for denying same-sex couples the same rights as opposite-sex ones.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Now then, same sex partnerships. Not really going to keep the human race going if we were all same sex couples. It's nice to be different and all that, but you'd summise that the purpose behind men and women, ultimately, is to reproduce, with a bit of life expeience in between.

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An utterly specious and intellectually bankrupt argument, unsurprisingly. No-one is suggesting that same-sex couples will become the norm. It's an absurd notion. People are what they are.

Why not just say what you really think, rather than dressing your view up in ideas of same-sex couples harming the continuation of the human race?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Does this mean that men and women are the norm?

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What does this question mean?