2012 Presidential Race

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Originally Posted by FIAT1

Perhaps, like every other media outlet ,blog or magazine promoting their own agenda.

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Is there any media outlet that doesn't do exactly that?!

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Originally Posted by FIAT1

Did you ever come to think about Americans who worked two shifts for years, borrowed money from friends to start little buisness.

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Yep, thought a lot about that and the conclusion is that there is something rotten in the system if you have to go through all that pain to start a little business.
In Europe you have more freedom and support if you want to start a little business.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yep, thought a lot about that and the conclusion is that there is something rotten in the system if you have to go through all that pain to start a little business.
In Europe you have more freedom and support if you want to start a little business.

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Ok, than open buisness there, but don't come here and tell me that my house stinks. I love it here, I love the system and yes I have made choice to work double and go through the pain of running the business, and I don't mind ,but what I do mind is others tell me what to do with it. I do mind when I'm told I didn't build it. When this election theater is over, there is gona be a man standing doing what he always does ,going to work traying to help his buisness ,his country and fellow man on the principle of his character, not because political party faithful told him do so.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Contentless assertions, repeated for years on end is not an answer. It is what it always has been hot air..
Some people, utterly berift on anything resembling ordinary humanity, believe that they can just say "no it's not" and that is discussion..
They are the people destroying this once functioning country..

makes you wonder if its really the geographic location that makes Florida air so hot and miserable.....or if it's the hot air pumped out non-stop by so many there?

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Holy Hyperbole!

What does one do when they cannot actually defend their beliefs.....? Do what janvanvurpa does and personally attack those who dare question you.
Sure it is cliche and predictable but those who agree with you aren't actually free thinks anyway so you have nothing to lose.

The really sad part is that it is those on the left who have no humanity and actually believe they are helping people with their self-serving policies. They say the want to help the poor but then enact policies that only raise costs. They say they are fighting racism and then they everything they can to prevent a level playing field. They claim they want to jump start the economy but then they strangle small businesses with over regulation and cronyism.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yep, thought a lot about that and the conclusion is that there is something rotten in the system if you have to go through all that pain to start a little business.
In Europe you have more freedom and support if you want to start a little business.

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And you have it in the U.S. always have. Those who claim otherwise are just ignorant or greedy. The issue is that the incumbent wants to leave it that way, and the challenger wants to take away those systems. It's simple brainwashing, which you and any other educated person understands and can see through. At the bottom it is really racism rearing its ugly head. The government is and should help it's citizens, and many people are too anti American to care for their countrymen.

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Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini

And you have it in the U.S. always have. Those who claim otherwise are just ignorant or greedy. The issue is that the incumbent wants to leave it that way, and the challenger wants to take away those systems. It's simple brainwashing, which you and any other educated person understands and can see through. At the bottom it is really racism rearing its ugly head. The government is and should help it's citizens, and many people are too anti American to care for their countrymen.

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Yep,when everything else fails, race card comes in to play. Typical .Play the class warfare card.

If you don't think that a lot resistance to this president is racially motivated it may me be that you were abducted by aliens and had your brains jettisoned at a close proximity to Uranus. I dare say I am in a class well of above yours so that has nothing to do with it. Do you know that in the Book of Morman it states that the darker your skin is the more evil you are. Why don't you read the doctrine of the religion of the man you are supporting, or maybe not why don't you just get back to me after the election and we can go from there

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Originally Posted by Starter

It would be ignorant to deny that race is a motivating factor for some people. There will always be those who are that misguided. However, you imply by the use of the words "a lot" that racism is a major motivating factor. It is not.

FIAT1's point is well taken. The race card is a leftist's "go to" insult for all occasions. If anyone disagrees they must, de facto, be a racist. Shame on you.

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It's in the book.

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And [God] had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord God; I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities." (2 Nephi 5:21)

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but you are right it is not that simplistic. as it could be argued that support of Obama is racially motivated. What do you say to a large part of his constituancy that continue to argue that he was not even born in America. That is what I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted by Starter

You have misrepresented the position of the challenger. The point being that government in the US has, through bureaucracy, made it more difficult to start new enterprises. A cutting back on some redundant and non pertinent regulations is a good thing. The very nature of bureaucracy is self justification and expansion. Any government suffers from this over time. Pruning back is almost always a good thing.

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That includes cutting taxes of the richest Americans? I own a business in California I see no excessive bureaucratic hurdles. What we have are disappearing jobs many just through automation. Times are changing we have to all realize that it is tumultuous even inevitable. It is not a reason to oppose low interest rates on student loans so we have a level field for the jobs of the future. It’s called investing in your country. We will work through it even though it may be awkward. At any rate it has been an interesting exchange I'm going on the road and will try to keep up with the conversation, see ya.