Driver and Donkey of the British GP

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Originally Posted by tfp

Cant say I agree, why would any driver have in the back of his mind "I dont want to go near him, I a frightened he will crash into me" and simply let him past without fighting for position?

What are the rules for rejoining the track? Pastor needs to have more respect and sportsmanship for other drivers when rejoining the track, F1 would become more dangerous if everyone did this, and this isn't what F1 needs.

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Actually drivers can and do alter how they overtake depending on who they are overtaking. They know different drivers have different personalities, some will cave in, others are likely to make a mistake. Some drivers are extremely harsh but very fair, others are fully prepared to risk a collision, rules and fairness be damned. Overtaking Trulli is an entirely different prospect from overtaking Webber or Schumacher for example.

Taking account of this is part of racing, or should I say intelligent racing.

Now Sergio made clear that everyone in the paddock thinks that Pastor is utterly crazy and disrespectful. I'm inclined to agree with him. If Sergio knew this however, why did he choose a particular place and method to overtake that required Pastor to behave absolutely like a schoolboy in order to pull it off?

Of course on paper Sergio is 100% in the clear but regardless he scored 0 points as a result of the coming together which he could have avoided had he gone about it a different way.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Sergio was very controlled and mature in his criticisms of Pastor. He didn't call him silly names, or lose his temper. His criticism was frank, but fair in light of the situation. Not everybody wants a PR robot to be interviewed, and we should enjoy this rare glimpse of passion shown by a driver who felt his race was ruined through Pastors loss of control. Lets not forget it was only Monaco where Pastor swerved off the racing line and across the front of Sergio's wing in an obvious act of frustration to which he was punished. He did the same thing to Hamilton at Spa in 2011, so has shown a tempremental element when edged out or beaten. This was a trait many disliked about Schumacher and Pastor needs to learn quickly as modern F1 doesn't tolerate such behaviour.

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I agree, and IMO without Kimi being extra careful with Maldonado on a couple of occasions, we would have at least two more collisions by now.

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Originally Posted by Malbec

As for Sergio he's been making some odd comments lately. After his podium in Canada he claimed he was happy for the team as Sauber hadn't scored any points since his last podium in Malaysia. I thought this was odd and looked it up, of course Sauber had scored points but Sergio hadn't. I guess Kobayashi drives for a different team then...

Then before Silverstone he claimed that Sauber just HAD to improve its qualifying performance because he'd failed to break into Q3 for several races. Again I guess Kobayashi drivers for a different team because he's been doing just fine in the other blue and white car....

I had heard on the grapevine that Ferrari were going cool on him because his head has been growing too big lately and he's a difficult guy to work with. I'm starting to believe that.

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Same could be said of Alonso.

"Renault don't support me enough"

"It was me who found sixth tenths"

"I'm the number one driver or else I'll tell the whole world you're cheating"

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Originally Posted by Malbec

why did he choose a particular place and method to overtake

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Take advantage of the the situation before the tyres got upto temp. Intelligent driving, except for Pastor of course......

Malbec

Sometimes you make great sense and then???

You may go into a corner and think; "he might bottle it" or "he wont compromise" but you don't think " I wont go for this otherwise this ****er will take me off for trying.

Thats the old Schumy era and it won with Hill but the FIA decided to say enough is enough after Jacques and they will with Pastor. He needs to sort himself out and pronto.

Mind you, when your sponsors py £30m for your seat, you don't care.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

You may go into a corner and think; "he might bottle it" or "he wont compromise" but you don't think " I wont go for this otherwise this ****er will take me off for trying.

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I'm not suggesting that Perez shouldn't have overtaken Maldonaldo but subtleties seem to get lost in this forum.

I'm saying he shouldn't have overtaken in the manner he did, hugging the Williams on the outside so any mistake by Pastor would have resulted in contact between the two. Either he should have gone somewhere else or given Pastor more room and as Sergio's outburst later showed he damn well knew that there was a big risk of Pastor doing something silly (deliberate or accidental). It was an unnecessary risk in a situation where Sergio stood to win some points at the end of the day.

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Whiting states that: “Any driver defending his position on a straight and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his” (emphasis as in original document).

“Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason.”

Whiting goes on to define the term “significant portion”, stating that this applies if the car attempting to pass gets any part of its front wing alongside the rear wheels of the car in front.

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FIA issues new clarification on defensive driving - F1 Fanatic

I wonder what made Chuck think the rule needed clarification? :dozey: :p :

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Originally Posted by Malbec

I'm not suggesting that Perez shouldn't have overtaken Maldonaldo but subtleties seem to get lost in this forum.

I'm saying he shouldn't have overtaken in the manner he did, hugging the Williams on the outside so any mistake by Pastor would have resulted in contact between the two. Either he should have gone somewhere else or given Pastor more room and as Sergio's outburst later showed he damn well knew that there was a big risk of Pastor doing something silly (deliberate or accidental). It was an unnecessary risk in a situation where Sergio stood to win some points at the end of the day.

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Malbec , sometimes you make great sense , and then you agree with me . Hee hee .

The way I see it , Sergio could have gone that little bit wider , and left a little more room for Pastor .
If he had , the likelyhood was , that Pastor would have left the corner , tail-happy , and Sergio would have had him easily , as his opponent would have lost his momentum .
If Perez really believes what he said about Maldonado , he would have waited for a better moment .

Simply , when taking advantage of a guy with cold tires , whether he be the most or least trusted of your opponents , it is a questionable act to put your vehicle in the way of a potential slide .

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Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini

FIA issues new clarification on defensive driving - F1 Fanatic

I wonder what made Chuck think the rule needed clarification? :dozey: :p :

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This clarification is in direct relation to the two aggressive moves Rosberg made in Bahrain against Ham and Zo....

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Originally Posted by kfzmeister

This clarification is in direct relation to the two aggressive moves Rosberg made in Bahrain against Ham and Zo....

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When joking it is helpful if you use an emoticon. Some people may take you seriously. ;)

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The governing body's Charlie Whiting issued a directive to the teams at the British Grand Prix after concerns were expressed on a number of occasions that certain drivers were defending in an over-aggressive manner.

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FIA clarifies defensive driving guidelines*